--- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" > > <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" > > > > <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > > <jflanegi@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One gets the "credit" for accomplishments by actually > > > > > > > accomplishing something, not by claiming that your > > > > > > > teacher did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are > > > > taking > > > > > > what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is > > analogous > > > > to > > > > > > the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have > > > > occurred > > > > > > were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. > > OK > > > > by > > > > > > me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who > > followed in > > > > > > Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga > > photographer, > > > > is > > > > > > not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has > > ever > > > > > > accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, > > > > hasn't > > > > > > done so entirely on their own merits, through their own > > choice, > > > > and > > > > > > through their own efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of > > the > > > > > > world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is > > > > Maharishi > > > > > > and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone > > > > else. > > > > > > Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did > > a > > > > great > > > > > > job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did > > this > > > > and > > > > > > therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain > > nonsensical. I > > > > > > hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a > > > > > > nutshell I said what I said without any further implications > > or > > > > > > conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, > > and > > > > no > > > > > > more. :-) > > > > > > > > > > According to you MMY is perfect and "revitalized the spiritual > > > > momentum of the world." > > > > > Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? > > > > > > > > > Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they > > haven't?:-) > > > > > > Are you serious? 99.999999% of the world's population has never > > heard of either Guru Dev > > > or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are religious > > follow traditions other > > > than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to do > > with MMY. > > > > > > You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right? You've > > heard of the other wars > > > going on in the middle east, right? Genocides....many, in fact > > most conducted in the name > > > of religion. Famine. > > > > > > What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? I'd > > really like to know. > > > > > > Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has "revitalized the > > spiritual momentum of the > > > world" brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right > > horse in this life, instead of > > > some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing finer > > than the security and warm > > > blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic secret. > > > > You too with the self aggrandizement argument? What is it with this? > > Is that why you were interested in TM and Maharishi at one time?? I > > don't get that connection. I've always derived a great deal from > > Maharishi and Guru Dev's teaching and the practice of TM, vs. going > > about smugly as a member of some sort of little club. My beliefs are > > purely derived from my experience, and not the other way around. My > > attitude has always been one of surrender vs. arrogance and > > condescension, though I might have been in the minority. Don't know, > > don't care. > > > > As to the world being unaware of Maharishi and Guru Dev's > > contribution, couldn't that be similar to Copernicus's assertion in > > the 15th century that the earth revolves around the sun vs the other > > way around? One of the few with such a belief at that time, but > > ultimately found to be right? Just asking the question. > > > > > But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a tiny > > and ever shrinking pond. > > > > > Yes on the surface it would appear so. Just as on the surface the > > sun definitely and unmistakably revolves around the earth.:-) > > "vs. going about smugly as a member of some little club." I see. So you believe that, like > Copernicus, MMY alone has the keys to the castle, that he is way ahead of the spiritual > truth curve and humanity just has to catch up. You sure you aren't going about smugly as > a member of some little club? > > Like I said Jim, if this gives you personal satisfaction then enjoy your choseness. But when > you make grand pronouncements about MMY and GD being the spiritual saviors of > mankind I'm going to speak up. I've been deep in there
Very deep for sure. This forum is full of ex-tmers who claim to have been "deep in there." But I remember this restless crowd from countless courses in Switzerland and elsewere; they would always stroll around somewhere outside, skipping this or that part of the programme, overeating, staying up late, sleeping during programme, talking during silence, etcetc - the list is endless - never taking the whole thing very seriously. Now they brag about having been "deep in there." What a joke.
