--- In [email protected], nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak"
> > > <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin"
> <jflanegi@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak"
> > > > > <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin"
> > > <jflanegi@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB
> <no_reply@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > One gets the "credit" for accomplishments by actually
> > > > > > > > accomplishing something, not by claiming that your
> > > > > > > > teacher did.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you
> are
> > > > > taking
> > > > > > > what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is
> > > analogous
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have
> > > > > occurred
> > > > > > > were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that
> way.
> > > OK
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who
> > > followed in
> > > > > > > Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga
> > > photographer,
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who
> has
> > > ever
> > > > > > > accomplished anything spiritually including any of us
> here,
> > > > > hasn't
> > > > > > > done so entirely on their own merits, through their own
> > > choice,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > through their own efforts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it
> is
> > > > > Maharishi
> > > > > > > and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been
> anyone
> > > > > else.
> > > > > > > Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda
> did
> > > a
> > > > > great
> > > > > > > job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev
> did
> > > this
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain
> > > nonsensical. I
> > > > > > > hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally.
> In a
> > > > > > > nutshell I said what I said without any further
> implications
> > > or
> > > > > > > conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it
> is,
> > > and
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > more. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to you MMY is perfect and "revitalized the
> spiritual
> > > > > momentum of the world."
> > > > > > Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they
> > > haven't?:-)
> > > >
> > > > Are you serious? 99.999999% of the world's population has never
> > > heard of either Guru Dev
> > > > or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are
> religious
> > > follow traditions other
> > > > than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to
> do
> > > with MMY.
> > > >
> > > > You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right?
> You've
> > > heard of the other wars
> > > > going on in the middle east, right? Genocides....many, in fact
> > > most conducted in the name
> > > > of religion. Famine.
> > > >
> > > > What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? I'd
> > > really like to know.
> > > >
> > > > Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has "revitalized
> the
> > > spiritual momentum of the
> > > > world" brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right
> > > horse in this life, instead of
> > > > some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing finer
> > > than the security and warm
> > > > blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic secret.
> > >
> > > You too with the self aggrandizement argument? What is it with
> this?
> > > Is that why you were interested in TM and Maharishi at one time??
> I
> > > don't get that connection. I've always derived a great deal from
> > > Maharishi and Guru Dev's teaching and the practice of TM, vs.
> going
> > > about smugly as a member of some sort of little club. My beliefs
> are
> > > purely derived from my experience, and not the other way around.
> My
> > > attitude has always been one of surrender vs. arrogance and
> > > condescension, though I might have been in the minority. Don't
> know,
> > > don't care.
> > >
> > > As to the world being unaware of Maharishi and Guru Dev's
> > > contribution, couldn't that be similar to Copernicus's assertion
> in
> > > the 15th century that the earth revolves around the sun vs the
> other
> > > way around? One of the few with such a belief at that time, but
> > > ultimately found to be right? Just asking the question.
> > >
> > > > But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a tiny
> > > and ever shrinking pond.
> > > >
> > > Yes on the surface it would appear so. Just as on the surface the
> > > sun definitely and unmistakably revolves around the earth.:-)
> >
> > "vs. going about smugly as a member of some little club." I see. So
> you believe that, like
> > Copernicus, MMY alone has the keys to the castle, that he is way
> ahead of the spiritual
> > truth curve and humanity just has to catch up. You sure you aren't
> going about smugly as
> > a member of some little club?
> >
> > Like I said Jim, if this gives you personal satisfaction then enjoy
> your choseness. But when
> > you make grand pronouncements about MMY and GD being the spiritual
> saviors of
> > mankind I'm going to speak up. I've been deep in there
>
> Very deep for sure. This forum is full of ex-tmers who claim to have
> been "deep in there." But I remember this restless crowd from
> countless courses in Switzerland and elsewere; they would always
> stroll around somewhere outside, skipping this or that part of the
> programme, overeating, staying up late, sleeping during programme,
> talking during silence, etcetc - the list is endless - never taking
> the whole thing very seriously. Now they brag about having been "deep
> in there." What a joke.
>
'Zat so Nabby? Didn't know I was a member of the "restless crowd". Of course
you know
nothing about me or my activities in the TMO. I was young, but not restless.
