Hello group, The first 2 posts didnt come out right so here goes third attempt:
Post 1: __Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in physical form, yet I have had no direct teachings. All have been in astral levels only.__G any teachings that come solely through astral realms are suspect. __* I do not have any direct Guru. __G this is unfortunate - __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings needed on my path. And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction and phenomenal in the eyes of many others. But the path is different than Tantra. __G what is the path ? __* While all in all any spiritual path is ultimately relating to tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure you would understand what I am conveying. __ G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE Indivisible Truth of Being. Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how to reach this end. __* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's identity because have been advised to refrain from doing such in the very initial stage of these astral transferences way back in 1997. __G i would Never ever promote that all teachings come within the realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is given is correct - maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego leanings - maybe what comes is being masqueraded _and comes through another entity. This is also a probability. ---- There is _very little stability with anything Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral nonsense. So why is the focal point within the realm of unending _phenomena ? __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved. Since almost a year now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in conjunction with the energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal). __G what are you terming being a victim of Kali Tantra ? As far as the conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when one is within a mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights is ALWAYS PURE and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected shadows. --- they have no substance other than what you yourself _are attributing them to have. __* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra which in my own opinion is a sacred path. __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive aberation which i do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts. --- black arts is wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not Knowledge. Knowledge is having gone beyond all such phenomena. __* But you would surely know that there are other sides of this vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They have been caught redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for the same. __G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ? __* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are my own students and trained in the same art that I practise. __G really ? so why did you teach your students such a thing ? or did they get their _knowledge from Astral realm beings ? such is my constraint on such things. _Only in ONE to ONE communication with Sat Guru to Sadhaka in the form of face _to face teaching and guidance is Reliable. __* I take this also as a state of Shakti Parikshan for myself. __G there is examination and then Examination. My questioning is why _a secrecy concerning a Sat Guru - these are not the actions of a Sat Guru to _require secrecy concerning their name. There is something very suspect in _this. __* A lot has been happenning since and there is undercover himsa that is affecting many people right from small children to old people. And there is regular suffering for many at physical, emotional, mental levels in this spiritual evolution thrown across at them without their wish or will through a use of force.__G what do you mean by this ? __* I have tried out all means for settlement. __G settlement in what way ? What needs to be settled ? __* The group involved is itself not really knowing what is wished for. They seem to have just one thing in mind. That I should surrender to them bowing on my feet, and then they would be the ones to uplift me in worldly realms of things, and see to it that I become a kind of star. They claim to be having such instruction from the same astral source. And to me this is catastrophy.__ G there is no good thing there - This is NOT the way of a Spiritual Teacher - _one is not a Sat Guru UNTIL one has gone Beyond all such drama's. A Sat Guru _would not for one instant put up with any of this drama. So my questioning _is - that perhaps your Guru is not in fact a Sat Guru (completed) but rather _something else. __in order to fully advise i need a transparent disclosure. __But what you are describing has all the earmarks of a cultic persuation. _One that has gone off the mark and is not headed towards the Liberation _of a Surrender to that Light beyond lights. But rather a fear based and greed _based dynamic and what has this to do with Realization and becoming free _of the egoic mind drama ? __Understand that Kali brings tough experience but it is with an end to _aide the Sincere Sadhaka to break through their own delusions. __If it is something other than this then that has Nothing to do with Kali _but is something else being masqueraded under her banner. __* My reaching to you to me is a plan of the same grace. Kindly advise. __G Do you want to be free of this ? As darkness only may continue to have _the substance that you continue to feed energy to it ? Mind is quantum - _Fear feeds the flames - one must Starve out shadow play. ____Thanks.__Maha Shanti Om _0 _ Poat 2: Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in physical form, yet I have had no direct teachings. All have been in astral levels only.__ G any teachings that come solely through astral realms are suspect. __S i am sorry. suspicion is simply a state of mind. if the belief is strong, even a stone can teach the whole. same goes even for non-physical presence teaching, call it astral or anything. point of mind, well taken. belief does shake at different levels. you have a belief factor in what you say with conviction because you have gone through an experience that is relative to the level of inner generated belief. this is where the respect is. you have realised the completeness. but i am still awakening to what is missing to be filled in. if i get any insight from a tree, i believe it is from the satguru and it is a way of transmiting the message across, through something. nature, animal or human. i am not implying simply chaneling or stuff like that.__ G look who is coming here with the problem and seeking advice ? _do you want the advice or to try and justify things ? _IF your way was so productive there would be no need to be here now ? _Now if you are ready to get serious and be willing to HEAR then fine - _if not = then go ahead and continue to enjoy the drama and fine mess _you have gotten yourself into. __* I do not have any direct Guru. __ G this is unfortunate - __S why is it so?__ G you come here in confusion and you have to ask why ? __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings needed on my path. And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction and phenomenal in the eyes of many others. But the path is different than Tantra. __G what is the path ? __S applied spirituality. taking the little practical steps of growing into the harmony of wellness. realizing those little steps such that when repeated, yield is similar and thus in through these small steps learning to manage the mind that fluctuates as is its nature.__ G what is the ME that is satisfied with it's undertakings ? Any time you are _dancing with mind - there is going to be fluctuations and no matter how great _the relative knowledge appears to be - it is all conditional. It will bring no lasting _Peace or Freedom. __* While all in all any spiritual path is ultimately relating to tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure you would understand what I am conveying. __G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE Indivisible Truth of Being. Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how to reach this end. __S True, they lead. But none as yet has ever reached that goal. Nearer or not, is what all is about.__ G you don't know because you are far from the goal - this Sat Guru can say YES _ABSOLUTELY 100 % THAT THE GOAL MAY BE ENTERED ==== IT IS A REALITY. This _is WHY Sat Guru's have Compassion for humanity and make available the doors _to discovering and removing the occluding layers of mindstuff which keep That _Ever Present Reality from being Known. i am not speaking about being known _about like a subject but what comes as a Presence of IS. __* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's identity because have been advised to refrain from doing such in the very initial stage of these astral transferences way back in 1997. __G i would Never ever promote that all teachings come within the realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is given is correct - maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego leanings - maybe what comes is being masqueraded _and comes through another entity. This is also a probability. ---- There is _very little stability with anything Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral nonsense. So why is the focal point within the realm of unending _phenomena ? __S I agree that Parabrahman is always in turiya .__G how can you agree with something you have not experienced and that above _you have said is not possible ? You have at this point accepted that what Sages _have said is valid. __S I am not talking of any entities. And nor is any insight that is dedicated to satguru taken or promoted as is. It always goes through a state of own self realization and understanding before given. __G you have a vastly different cognition and definition of self realization versus _what i speak of which is Self Realization. You are talking about having an insight _about something, i am speaking about Being within the Consciousness of the _Living Reality of Parabrahman. This is Self Realization - Self in one way being a _misnomer for this Self is Impersonal and there remains no longer any ME story _or identification. What you are speaking of is all about the ME story and making _it better. These are 180 degrees from each other. __S: Okay, let me talk of you. If through these discussions I get an insight, I would dedicate this to you. And for me this insight was transmitted to me through astral transferences, because the spontaneous (& not programmed or intentional) astral interaction is a common feature. __G no - there is nothing astral about it - A Sat Guru may in fact give through _a Transmission but it comes from WAY BEYOND an astral plane phenomena _level. It is something totally different. If you get an Insight then this is still _within the realm of relativity and duality. Something may get jogged into a _different direction but you are hearing at a limited level and therefore only _partially absorbing what is said --- you hear it in refferance and through the _colored lens of your identifications. A Sat Guru continues to tear away at the _layers of conditioned mind. __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved. Since almost a year now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in conjunction with the energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal). __G what are you terming being a victim of Kali Tantra ? As far as the conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when one is within a mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights is ALWAYS PURE and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected shadows. --- they have no substance other than what you yourself _are attributing them to have. __S what is mental fixation? to think that the victimisation is there? so does simple letting go of it lets it go? definately it does, at some state, because after any and every war, there is ultimately peace. the point here is only regarding minimizing the damages of war. war that may be termed as internal or external. same thing, what is internal is external and what is external is internal.__ G so what is the problem ? understanding it intellectually and having the _Wisdom how to Actualize it are two separate things. People come everyday_and they talk a good talk - but the plain truth of it all is they simply have _words without the Wisdom as to how to Actualize the Reality. _____* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra which in my own opinion is a sacred path. __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive aberation which i do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts. --- black arts is wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not Knowledge. Knowledge is having gone beyond all such phenomena. __S thats right. thats what i was pointing at. tantra is spirituality. but tantra is also power. and some people use this for the sake of power. then it is termed as black magic/art. for the ones doing it, it may not even be actually realised so. for no human would ever do anything wrong on a spiritual path. but even when it comes to a point of dominate or call it power play, what then?__ G Oh they would - they would most certainly do something wrong and convince_themselves that the ends justify the means. This is serious delusion - as Karma _is Karma - is Karma and there is no escaping it in the end. This is what happens _when one is within Ego doership versus Surrender. Again this is 180 degrees in _the wrong direction. Why do you think every Sage and texts endlessly speak of _Having a Guru and practices such as Karma Yoga - Bhakti - and Surrender ???? _Just because there is a great tendancy for egotistical doership to be confused with _genuine Spiritual path of Surrender. One can convince themselves ( i don't need a _physical Guru ) and then ego has a great opening to whisper what one wants to _hear and skew things just enough that rather than going forward one is going in _a circular pattern. Shakti can either LIberate or bring greater delusion. One _can even convince themselves that they are aiding humanity and yet it is that spiritual _ego of falseness. This is when a Living Sat Guru is INVALUABLE to call one on the _games and illusions of truth as they arise. __* But you would surely know that there are other sides of this vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They have been caught redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for the same. __G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ? __S am not held up with fear. and am quite capable of protecting against any offensives. but am looking out for a solution to transcend this state without getting involved into the darker side of spirituality. __G as long as you have a need to be in *control* and needing a way to *protect* _yourself then you will continue to manufacture scenarios that will require _more and more protections. When you hold to light versus dark then a pendulum _effect will remain in motion. This breeds a fear based practice - rather than a _practice of Surrender and the Wisdom that comes from going beyond all duality _and self interest. __* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are my own students and trained in the same art that I practise. __ G really ? so why did you teach your students such a thing ? or did they get their _knowledge from Astral realm beings ? such is my constraint on such things. _Only in ONE to ONE communication with Sat Guru to Sadhaka in the form of face _to face teaching and guidance is Reliable. __S my art has nothing to with the path of tantra (in its accepted form). they got the knowledge from a kali devotee who practises goddess kali in body art. may I ask why are you so skeptic? __G practices kali in body art ? You are the one that has come seeking advice. _i am simply attempting to get to the bottom of what you are asking for. So far _you are being vague when being asked directly - You say your Sat Guru told _you NOT to reveal the identity =. And My SatGuru is one in physical form, yet I have had no direct teachings. All have been in astral levels only._Then I do not have any direct Guru. Then onto well a stone can be your guru etc. __LOOK you aren't being honest either with yourself or here and if you want help _then you Have to get honest. __You come stating to be a VICTIM and you ask why i am skeptical ? _So far you aren't being forthcoming - you have been dancing around the fire. __* I take this also as a state of Shakti Parikshan for myself. __G there is examination and then Examination. My questioning is why _a secrecy concerning a Sat Guru - these are not the actions of a Sat Guru to _require secrecy concerning their name. There is something very suspect in _this. __S as a guru when you give a diksha to your student, you transfer a mantra to the student. you expect the student to safegaurd it. It is the students duty to respect your word to this. This is guru shishya parampara.__ G again you are dancing around the fire - LOOK either you go to your guru _directly IF you have one - OR you want advice here - but i don't have time for _your games. When someone comes and keeps hedging their bets - and isn't _forthcoming and going back and forth with this game of i have a guru and i _have a duty to respect and safeguard and yet are saying but i don't have a direct _guru THEN YOU ARE HERE PLAYING GAMES. YOU ARE CONFUSED AND YOU _EITHER HAVE A GURU OR YOU DON'T...... IF YOU HAVE A GURU YOU SHOULD _HAVE THEM AIDE YOU ------- IF YOU DON'T THEN GET REAL AND COME _HERE IN A CORRECT MANNER. __* A lot has been happenning since and there is undercover himsa that is affecting many people right from small children to old people. And there is regular suffering for many at physical, emotional, mental levels in this spiritual evolution thrown across at them without their wish or will through a use of force.__ G what do you mean by this ? __S I mean that many innocent people are getting subjected to the attrocities of the dark art.__ G it sounds as if you are being melodramatic ---- as nothing concrete has _been stated here. __* I have tried out all means for settlement. __G settlement in what way ? What needs to be settled ? __S peace can be attained in various ways. i have tried out direct communication. __G Peace is found within - it has nothing to do with the externals. Each must _come to peace in their own journey through their own direct search. __* The group involved is itself not really knowing what is wished for. They seem to have just one thing in mind. That I should surrender to them bowing on my feet, and then they would be the ones to uplift me in worldly realms of things, and see to it that I become a kind of star. They claim to be having such instruction from the same astral source. And to me this is catastrophy.__ G there is no good thing there - This is NOT the way of a Spiritual Teacher - _one is not a Sat Guru UNTIL one has gone Beyond all such drama's. A Sat Guru _would not for one instant put up with any of this drama. So my questioning _is - that perhaps your Guru is not in fact a Sat Guru (completed) but rather _something else. __S Agreed that this is not the way of any spiritual teacher. Leave aside satguru. It is the same thing as one who could use goddess kali for dark art practise. That does not mean that Kali is bad or what is the path of kali is a drama.__ G why are you so wrapped up in this and continue to feed it ? So far you have _not stated anything concrete only that it is body art ? Whatever they are doing _why do you continue to involve yourself there ? and WHAT is your Guru's advice ? _Since you claim to have such a great connection on the Astral plane ? __in order to fully advise i need a transparent disclosure. __S i have tried to be as transparent as possible positioned at 23 storey heights on a beam of 6 inches laid across two buildings. i would respect your decision, be it whatever. __G then put your attention on your work at hand - leave the universe to do _what is needed - YOU focus on your own journey. __But what you are describing has all the earmarks of a cultic persuation. _One that has gone off the mark and is not headed towards the Liberation _of a Surrender to that Light beyond lights. But rather a fear based and greed _based dynamic and what has this to do with Realization and becoming free _of the egoic mind drama ? __S It is not so. We follow no religion, no cult, no sect. We respect all. We love all. __ G then there is no probelm - You can't claim we love all - we respect all _and also claim to be a victim. you can't have it both ways. __Understand that Kali brings tough experience but it is with an end to _aide the Sincere Sadhaka to break through their own delusions. __S That is why I am at your doorstep. I have live form 3D visions of Maa Kali. I know the energy. But I am yet not so evolved to be able to communicate with her. She treats me like a child and lifts me up in her arms whenever I invoke her to relieve me of the intense pains. And that is bliss. But she also treats me as Shiva soon thereafter until the next session. And then her feet is on my chest, deeply inside my body actually (I can feel it) and also the poke of Trishul in my stomach. __ G then Surrender - quit seeking to gain control. In order to break through _illusion one must face it full force. These types of things come along the _way they are simply experiences to move beyond. that is all. __If it is something other than this then that has Nothing to do with Kali _but is something else being masqueraded under her banner. __* My reaching to you to me is a plan of the same grace. Kindly advise. __G Do you want to be free of this ? As darkness only may continue to have _the substance that you continue to feed energy to it ? Mind is quantum - _Fear feeds the flames - one must Starve out shadow play. __S How?__G Face it Fully and Surrender 100 % - not my Will but Thine oh Lord. _She is stabbing the solar plexus because it is the seat of EGO - _she stands on Shiva's chest as that is Absolute and Non-duality _and Dvaita is Not two. __Thanks._Om Sairam__Maha Shanti Om _0 _ Post 3: _ Swamiji__Namaste and Om Kali Ma - __* Thank you so much.__ G you are most welcome __* I already have the direction visible clearly now.__ G very good __* I will first practise the deep wisdom that you have transfered all so easily.__ G just come to balance - __* You are Maa Kali. _She moves through you._ I know it. _You are rough at top. _But you are so sweet underneath._ I can feel your Love. _Powered with Truth. _Bless me to undo my bit. __G the Blessings is always Within 0 - how can it not be - as Absolute _is ones Core Being. __* I will soon be back with your blessings that allow me transcend this state.__ G just remember to Surrender - and let go of the rising mind drama. __Till then,_Namaste.__Maha Shanti OM _0 _
