--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote: > > > I have read about Swami G long before this exchange here. Someone at > > ATM,
*Tanmay: what is ATM? Swami G also has the first name Ganga- occasionally people mix it up but I think the responses would have been similar anyway John Manning, brought her up once and actually mixed her up with > > Gangaji. He the posted some exchange he had and the general response > > was very positive. I also had a positive impression, she seemed to be > > somewhat conservative, traditional, but not really unusual in what she > > said. I still find the same now. The same person, John, who endorsed > > her at the time at ATM, is here on this board and had a totally > > opposite reaction now. Tanmay: That happens both with sadakas and those that never took initiation- It is not a surprise. Maybe the closer one is to the goal, there can be more grounding reducing the 100% faith based relationship because one is resting in a significant glimpse. However, it also appears one can have a very significant glimpse and even rest in samaghi, Nivakalpa samadhi, then the mind reroots. These people can possibly create havoc with procaliming their enlightenement and leading others. They may not hear a word when it is recomended that they should be with their Guru until the Guru has pronounced them enlightened and then assigned them to be a Guru, should that be a part of their dharma- this stuff I just told you is a general thing coming from Swami G, I also have seen a lot of what I just spoke of this past year > > This is the post, 4 years ago: > http://groups.google.de/group/alt.meditation.transcendental/msg/ac69762b9c80733c > Also read the thread, as a nmber of people, like Judy, commented in a > more or less positive way. Compare post# 141576 (Judy) and # 141475 > (John, I think) > Tanmay: Regarding the Om Mantra, I leave that for anyone interested to ask swami G about it or I can forward questions as there is a lot to it. But I can tell a short experience where I told TM er about it and he was like ohhhhh , you will see- you know like I am supposed to loose my money. Profits in business like doubled, but funny enough, this guy was off the beat and track even by most in TM, even though he lives in the vlodrop area. They took over a million from one guy, then without his permission, spent hunreds of thossands on Yagyas for their business, each leased expensive cars. The company and this guy are broke, one of them left the country, the other probably will have to also. Aside from that, I think the explaination is flow ( refered to as life in acordance with natural law in TM) has all to do with the mind not getting in the way. Whatever it is that brings this about, this is what has life actually in flow- mind out of the way. I had this unquestionable flow while in TM, so looking at it in reverse, the only way this can be the case is if the mind is not obstructing. My experience is thoughts are still here, yet I hear about a totally stilled mind. My experience is also that even with thoughts- ( was the case in TM) , there was flow. Now here, again, thoughts are still there, but there is still flow. There is more flow now than there was before, but I am told that with a totally stilled mind, it is even more. I can't understand this from hearing about it as it has to be experienced, but I can understand the flow now, and see what is taking place and compare this flow from what was while doing TM. In both cases though, even though the thoughts were there, it was to varios degrees not impeding the flow. Now , about the promotion again- This group here has disciples from many gurus, I would guess if someone comes here to talk about their Guru, whoever it is , there may be a few or more interested. If someone came here and they had comments that Mother Meera said for example, I would be interested. I am not reading most of the posts here but do look over some of the topics since I just came back here. So, it is not a problem, people not interested in this thread can skip over it, so there shouldn't be too much - um, whatever about all this. Now about the Maharishi bashing- I am coming from a different perspective than Swami G and maybe it looks like it got mixed up just as you said Swami G is coming to Klauses. My perspective is coming from being in TM since 1978, taking all the advanced courses and TTC like many. My experiences were good, the past is something which reddies one for what is going on now in their life. The proper spiritual behavior is to honor all that has benifitted one in their journey. Without TM, it may be reasonable to say that there may not even be this body here on earth now. I don't really feel like I left TM in the sense that I am closer to the Goal, the Goal is that One essence or Braman. Actually, any Sat Guru , should have a deep concern for the evolution and clarity ( clarity is what evolution is , isn;t it?) of the sadaka. Sat guru is One, so the Sat Guru would never object to anything that takes the sadaka into more clarity. For example, if a sadaka came to swami G and said they want to go to another Guru, all blessings are there. However, it is still the sadaka coming to say they want to leave, then the Guru responds. The Guru rightfully should ask which Guru? and ask very specifically what they are doing, then they will as a matter of course and speaking and acting from that level of being, make comments to the sadaka about this. If the Guru thinks the sadaka is going to a place where they will be misguided, the Guru will let them know. Anyway, I honor what I got but as I said automatically by virtue of leaving for something else, it means I think something is better and this is viewed as negative by those staying. they can ask - how could you do this for our Guru is so beautifull - remember all the beautifull times etc. So, I understand that perspective, I was in those lines of thinking not long ago. So, maybe those there really shouldn't be reading this- I can even tell you something I heard MMY say in 1978- something like those that want to stay with this beautifull knopwledge- fine..., and those that want to leave should leave, but those staying shouldn;t have to be surrounded with such negativity. So, yes, I refer to him as Maharihsi, some for various reasons do not any longer, especially some that have left. So, with my perspective of not being a casuality and having deep and good experiencences, ,my pointing for what I see lacking are entirely different than the next guy and his reasons. Some are sorely bitter and have created TMX etc. I am not bitter but there are a lot of things looking strange and imbalanced and I am not quiet about that but still it is not some violent attack from my side. Now, Swami G has her angle. She is a Guru concerned about all sadakas from all gurus and if she see's the Guru with immoral behavior, or see sadakas in confusion, or sees the Guru doing what she sees as usefull practices or sees the disciples in strong advancement, she is going to speak up strongly I believe, Swami g has made various comments about many Gurus and sadaks, probably many other Guru's do the same, each has their methodologies
