Rory: "Right, you didn't offer me that marvelous image to play with -- but you *did* (in my reality anyhow) offer me your pain, which was all I really wanted. To whatever degree You and I are separate, my heartfelt thanks to You :-)"
Me: I have been enjoying lurking I have been thinking something about how you write that I would like to run by you Rory. I think you are using language that very carefully does separate you from the person you are responding to. Almost to a post there is an assertion of your separateness, specialness. I think it is very important for you to present yourself as having a special relationship with the world. I offer you another option and perspective for consideration. We may all actually be the same with regard to our states of consciousness. What you are describing in sometimes Baroque detail may just be an affectation of your use of words to describe states that everyone else is living in without needing all the descriptions. If you really want a unitive experience, I suggest trying out the following premise: You and I are actually the same. No states of awakening separate us. Neither of us are on any continuum of awareness before or after each other. We are both just simply human with the same limitations and capacities. Then go to the supermarket and look at everyone that same equal way. Everyone is just equally human and not on a path of "awakening". Just folks. I hope this wont be taken as an attack although it is a judgment I am making. (BTW nuts are actually very hard to kick so their use in fights is really overrated!) I think we have established enough rapport in previous posts to actually explore this topic a bit. I suspect Turq will have some perspective to share on this. In my daily life I notice people's language as an attempt to assert a ranking. It is a version of monkey oneupmanship. As a performing artist I must push some people's buttons because I get a regular stream of guys (always guys) who feel the need to try to find out what I make as a performer. It seems important for them to make sure I am not making much money while having this much fun. They ask a serious of roundabout questions to determine that even though they hate their jobs (their words) at least they are making more money. Here on FFL it seems that there is another ranking system in place between guys. An enlightenment-O-meter. It isn't easy for guys to drop all the affections of our primate politics. But it is sometimes an option when chosen. Are you willing to actually see me as an equal? Completely equal? Not in some cosmic perspective way that you unequally comprehend, but brother to brother? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Question, short form: Is Katie's "the work," whether > > > > valuable or not, just another form of moodmaking? > > "Rory Goff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > Answer, short form: No. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I don't know. I'm just wondering. Those of you who know > > > > more, please explain it to me. > > "Rory Goff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > Try it and see for yourself, or keep on spinning rationalizations > > > why Not to try it, it makes no difference to me. I'm still gonna > > > kick you in the nuts every time I see you on crack waving a > > > pistol around -- metaphorically speaking of course :-) > > "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > I'm chuckling, remembering when you suggested the > > Byron Katie approach to me some time back, and I > > rejected it on similar grounds to what Barry's > > putting forth here. > > Hah! Yes! I LOVE the mirror-like quality of FFL, like Life cubed, as > Self reflects Self to Self....next it'll be *my* turn to use the > infinite-recursion argument! > > > He proceeded to try to kick me in the nuts for > > purportedly spinning rationalizations on why not to > > try it. > > Priceless, isn't it? :-) > > (You refrained from doing so, apparently > > because I didn't seem to you to be metaphorically > > on crack waving a pistol around.) > > Right, you didn't offer me that marvelous image to play with -- but > you *did* (in my reality anyhow) offer me your pain, which was all I > really wanted. To whatever degree You and I are separate, my > heartfelt thanks to You :-) > > *L*L*L* >
