--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just as a question, given Maharishi's descriptions > of enlightenment and what it is, *why* does this > "particle" of you still feel discomfort and suffer- > ing? Isn't it free of stress and beyond such things > if you're enlightened?
*I* am "free of stress and beyond such things" as you term it, because *I* do not exist as such, I am merely the indefinable, ungraspable Self, but not all of "my" bodymind know that it is free (though by far the majority do, or do know they are freely participating in my harmony) -- portions still believe in spacetime, separation, and so on. Call it leshavidya if you like; basically it's simply those beings in my universe who still believe they're suffering. > I guess I'm asking why the need for "work" to elim- > inate suffering if you're so enlightened? I'm an Evangelist; I like to spread the Good News; it tickles; as Self-pleasuring it's my form of masturbation :-) > > > which > > > you perceive as suffering. > > > > Which *it* perceives as suffering :-) > > "It" still perceives it that way. Why is "It" not > enlightened if you are? > > A legitimate question, n'est-ce pas? It was running on old beliefs or old memory; spacetime being what is, the progressive dissolution into Now actually unfolds in its own good time among my particles :-) > > > So you do "the work" until > > > the discomfort goes away and you're feeling blissful, > > > > until *it* knows it is free, knows its nature as tangible bliss > > And "freedom" and "tangible bliss" are the way that > things "should" be? It's the way they've always been, once we realize we're superimposing illusions on them, and relax :-) > If an enlightened being contracted pancreatic cancer > (one of the most painful ways to go) do you believe > that he'd feel every moment as freedom and tangible > bliss? Just another question...I don't know. Couldn't tell you; too hypothetical -- I only know that for me, physical pain is becoming more and more obviously both negligible on the one hand, and on the other, actual physical bliss, as I relax more and more into Being the simple and natural frequencies of gratitude, compassion, love, release, etc., and more and more of my body becomes "eaten" by and transmuted into passionate Love and Light and Bliss :-) > > > in the "paradisical state of radiant Being," the > > > way things *should* be. > > > > and thereby manifests my sensorium as radiant being/love/bliss > > Again, as you believe it *should* be. No, as I perceive it *is*. The other is more and more obviously an infinitesimal illusion, but one which it behooves us to attend to and unravel ... what else have we got to do? :-) > Sounds a lot to me as if you're doing "should surgery" > on these "particles." > > Please explain why you feel the need to *change* the > way that you feel...oh, excuse me -- change the way > that these "particles" of you feel if you're enlight- > ened. I'm honestly curious. Because I love them/me, and I don't like to see/feel anyone suffering needlessly, when it's so simple to show them how to unravel, relax, and remind Us of our true nature :-) > > >Did I get that right? > > > > No doubt :-) > > > > > Sure doesn't sound *anything* like moodmaking to me. :-) > > > > No doubt :-) But then, you still think enlightenment is an > > experience > > No, not in the same way that eating an orange is an > experience, but one's *stories* about enlightement > and one's *interpretation* of enlightenment are > *very much* experiences, and *very much* stories. The one thing about my Awakening was, although ocurring in spacetime, it is clearly beyond it; it is Self-evident, eternal, fundamental, and intensely, sensorily paradoxical -- ordinary and special; concrete and transcendental, spirit and matter, lively and still, inner and outer, evident and not-evident: *no story fits; no story captures THAT* -- *I* can't capture THAT; I can only *be* THAT -- all and none of the above: the Self appreciating THAT as Itself, as all that is, and absolute emptifulness -- the only "experience" that is non-experience, instantly removing all my seeker's doubt by its very nature or non-nature, by its very liberating spiritual-physical totality as Self-recognition. No experience I had had of C.C., G.C., or U.C. -- rich and fulfilling as they were -- could ever remove all doubt, could ever be "final," could ever be this, as they were ephemeral, and bound by specific criteria. This Awakening realizes itself by understanding *it is not bound by criteria* -- and thus is eternal, unbound by spacetime itself. As long as we are holding siddhis, or witnessing, or *anything* up as a yardstick to measure our Awakening, we will remain unAwake. "Loving what IS" awakens Us, opens our Heart and guts enough to envelop creation, to see Ourself. *After* Awakening, it is quite natural to spontaneously stretch our wings, to see how Nature clings to our desires (or how our desires are Nature's) and how quickly she miraculously fulfills them. But to use these "siddhis" as a yardstick to measure our actual Awakening -- no. Puts the cart before the horse, enables us to remain in bondage :-) > > -- not that you care about enlightenment, of course -- and > > that we think we are great for realizing it's not, although > > we're probably just moodmaking anyway, and that we expect > > you to worship us and take our word for it. Did I get that > > right? :-) > > Maybe. At least you didn't use the "You just don't > understand because you're not where I'm at" comeback > this time. Much. :-) :-) Yeah, Barry, I love you too! :-)
