--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> And a side point, going back to posts of last week: the
> discussion on how do you know you are awake and not in
> a dream. (That is in a state as analogous to waking as is
> dreaming). How do you know for sure you are not in Plato's
> cave. How do you know that 3 dimensions is the end
> all and be all and not missing out stupendously just as a 
> flatliner -- in a two dimensional existence -- is compared
> to our existence.
> 
> The answer, -- was weak in my view. the answer being, imo,
> along the lines of  being awake is a state of being and not
> a state of thought, And thus open KNOWS a state of being,
> a priori, no proof needed.

I don't understand what "thus open KNOWS" means.

In any case, the answer you cite wasn't to the
question as you phrased it above about whether
three dimensions are the end all and be all etc.,
etc.--that's your addition, and it isn't at all
relevant to the point I was making.

But obviously, if you think about it, there can
be no other answer to the original question.

> In conversations with a number of my acid gulping friends and peers,
> an some experiences of my own, the consensus was similar: Being on
> good acid is a state of Being and its obvious that one is Awake
> compared to "being straight". But how substantial was that state of
> being. Per above discussion.

Different issue entirely. Maybe an interesting
question on its own terms, but not relevant,
again, to the point I was making.


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