Tom Wrote: the audience was stunned and began to get that you can not fix anything outside yourself if you have not done the work on the inside and stopped that internal war. Those who insist that the outside needs to be fixed are unwilling to do what it takes inside and would rather put it out side themselves and continue in denial that they are the root cause and effect.
--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > Of course I may have missed his and your point completely... > > > > Perhaps, because the point is astounding. A rather implausible > > hypothesis, an opinion really, is offered up at a workshop, and it > > appears to be taken as fact. > > I take it as fact, because I've actually tried it and found it works, > like many thousands of others :-) You and 1000 others have found that by everyone in the US or world stopping their "inner war (as defined by you, not by them) it stopped the war in Iraq? What parallel universe did that occur in? I must have missed it. That was my understanding of Tom's point, in the context of the theme of the on-going discussion. He presented an untested premise i found astonishing to be taken whole-heartedly, unexamined and undemonstrated. I am open to the possibility that Tom and BK have uncovered the new physics, the real source of cause and effect -- and that it can stop the war in Iraq. Its just I have heard similar claims and stories before. I apologize if I have become a tinsy bit more jaded since my 20s.I indeed have traded some of my naivite and innocent acceptance, for logic, reasoning and demonstrated effects. But I admire the former qualities in you. Its a wonder to watch your unblemished innocence as your wander wide-eyed through the garden of metaphysicial wonders. > >I wouldn't bet the farm on that > > hypothesis. A little research would be helpful. > > Like actually trying it...? :-) Certainly, you can proceed to test Tom's hyptheses, if you care to. I would be eager and all eyes if you set up an experiment to test the hypothesis. We will see if the war in Iraq stops. We will see if Tom has uncovered the new physics. But first, perhaps the original question posed of you, and still unanswered, could be tested: whether you could stop the war in Iraq if you desired, if all of your desires are easily fulfilled. And/or your wholeness swallowing particles effect exercise to heal iraq. As far as BK's technique, I have used it for several years, studied two of her books, and I like her method and approach. As we have discussed, I found it useful to quiet the monkey mind of judgements.Though apparently, according to you and Tom, I have been misusing the BK technique. A premise I see BK laughing deeply about, but I take your word for my errors. Thus I have started to use a offshoot method, thats works better for my interests. And, as I have said before, IMO, I find that you have taken what she says, extended it to fit your world view, proclaiming it to be her approach. C'est la vie. But I may be wrong. In any event, either way is not an earth shaking consequence. > Perhaps this IS the > new > > physics. Stop the presses -- The REAL source of cause and effect has > > been found. > > No, no, you were right, Richard -- your Wok is the way to go! "Don't > love what IS, what is is the rotting corpse of God" -- priceless! A > perfect recipe for continued denial and suffering! Talk about loving > the status quo! :-) I love your continued recasting of my most positive insights in terms of suffering, denial -- with a wonderful snap of one-upmanship and smugness. It is what makes you so endearing. The persistence of your story, your seeing denial and suffering everywhere. As you have said, its all projection -- you can (not should) do the math. And I appreciate your being a sounding board, for my, at first, humorous antitode to the extremes of a BK view I read here. But as I let the idea of the Wok unfold, it has provided some quite useful insights for me. My view is envigorated. So thank you for that.
