--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > wrote:
[snip] > > > If Charlie Lutes said that it is just foolishness-- Had I heard > him > > > today my question would have been, "How does one so perfectly > > > attuned with the Divine turn away from his own nature?". > > > > > > I don't agree that Maharishi is "so perfectly attuned with the > > Divine." I believe that Maharishi is very advanced and has some > > spiritual 'powers'. But I don't think he's tuned to the Divine such > > that he's immune from doing wrong [adharmic] things. > > It is my experience that anyone who is "very advanced" will not act > adharmically, and do wrong. We apparently differ here. Indeed we do. Maharishi does stuff that directly contradicts my whole God-given sense of right and wrong and of what my experience of TM tells me is such. > I do not > consider anyone who is still a seeker very advanced. It is my direct > experience that Maharishi is no longer a seeker.:-) That's self-serving circular logic, Jim. > > > Important to realize that Maharishi always has in his heart to > start > > > people meditating, > > > > > > You could have fooled me. Some of the decisions he's made have > > accomplished just the opposite. A clear, gross example was his > banning > > of initiations in Great Britain. > > > > Some of his decisions about closing TM Centers and some of the > bizarre > > projects he's promoted and abandoned have left the public in a > state > > of aversion, to say the least. The King Tony stuff is just nuts in > my > > view. > > > > Hell, I was a gung ho TM initiator for years, but Maharishi, after > a > > while lost his credibility for me. I still swear by the > Transcendental > > Meditation and it's source in the Holy Tradition with Guru Dev as > its > > present spiritual representative. But I think Maharishi has 'left > the > > building' when it comes to any connectedness to the real outer > world > > with regard to 'spreading the teaching'. > > > > > > > that those listening to him may be listening for > > > the first time, so there is repetition, and a mini intro lecture > in > > > most of his talks. I agree with nablus too, that there are often > > > nuggets of gold hidden among the repitition. Maharishi has > taught us > > > all a technique that stands on its own and doesn't need the > constant > > > favor and inspiration of a teacher. Better to grow bored of him > if > > > that is your tendency and find the treasure trove on your own. > > > > > > It isn't a matter of "boredom" to me. It's a matter of spiritual > > legitimacy. I'm appalled at his pitches for money for example - and > > the question of what happens to all of it when he gets it. > > Spiritual legitimacy?? Why do you see money as unspiritual? Do you > think man invented money, absent from God? Is man really *that* > powerful? No. There's nothing wrong with money per se. It's how it's acquired and how it's used that comes under scrutiny with Maharishi. You CANNOT purchase heaven with money. It doesn't work that way. (There is a very wealthy guy who wrote to alt.meditation.transcendental in the recent past and told everyone that he was paying for lots of yagyas to be performed for him to bring him blessings and enlightenment. The first time the guy revealed all of this, he came off as an unstable nutjob. A few months later he said that all was peachy and that the yagyas seemed to be producing the results. And he still came off as an unstable nutjob. Maybe the yagyas were helping him somehow, but the transformation to self-realization can only come from within one's own self. It cannot be handed to you as an object. It cannot be purchased like a commodity at Home Depot.) There was a time when Maharishi made it clear that nature will provide on the basis of inner attunement with the Divine. Clearly Maharishi has turned that around 180 degrees and now pitches for acquiring the money FIRST (instead of FIRST seeking the Divine) to ostensibly BUY the Kingdom of God via his co$tly, often bizarre and often abandoned projects. Those projects most often don't materialize, but where does the mega cash disappear to? > Money is one of the greatest tools on earth we have available to us > for spiritual growth and advancement. I find it very strange to hear > so called spiritually oriented people decry the use of money for > spiritual pursuits. Similar to those who say that the ego must be > killed to achieve enlightenment. Silliness.:-) > > > > Easy > > > enough to do with clear intentions and enough > practice; "Practice > > > makes perfect".:-) > > > > > > Like I said, it isn't about the TM technique, it's about Maharishi. > > Advancement on the path doesn't mean you throw your brains out the > > window and ignore the weird abberations in people's behavior, even > in > > Maharishi. > > > Fair enough. Now, what if the shoe were on the other foot? What if > you could dictate *exactly* how Maharishi should act, in your view, > with Maharishi listening to every suggestion you made of him, and > following through on it? All I have to do is to compare how Maharishi is operating with how Guru Dev affected results, and to Guru Dev's standards which to me are strikingly contradictory to what Maharishi is doing. My heart shows me these things - no, my hearts screams these things to me, and has my whole life - and I don't abandon my heart. That's where Guru Dev resides along with Paramatman along with my God-given inborn sense of the difference between right and wrong. > Or if this ability were expanded to dictate how anyone else in the > entire world would act; entire countries, heads of state, people > past, present and future? Would you be happier, would that solve all > of your issues and problems? It doesn't work that way. And I'm not attempting to make it work that way. I'm simply pointing out what's obvious to me. It's as if the emperor has no clothes and NO ONE with any credibility will say it out loud - even though many are thinking it and wishing to God that it would somehow be directly addressed - as it's blatantly obvious and blatantly in front of everybody's faces - unless they've been overcome by the fog and ignorance of true believer syndrome and wishful thinking. And that's where one finds the apologists, the true believers who make excuses for what's obviously aberrant. > Or at the end of the day, would you still be reduced to... you? > Dealing with you, and continuing to see the world as you always have > seen it, dealing with the same issues you have always dealt with, > regardless of Maharishi's, or anyone else's actions?:-) That goes without saying for anyone, eh? But it amounts to a red herring in this discussion about Maharishi's actions and how one perceives one's self in relationship to Maharishi. That seems to be the core difference between our views [yours and mine] of the matter. Maharishi made it clear at the TTC I attended that he is NOT anyone's personal master. Of course at the time [1970], being totally overwhelmed by him, I felt otherwise - even to the extent that when he made me a teacher I reverently said to him that "I pray that I can serve you well, Maharishi." He immediately retorted , "No, just radiate Being." And he repeated it, "Just radiate Being."
