--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/4/07 11:50:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> Son of Man, yes, a common expression referring to human
> beings.  But none to being the only-begotten Son of God.
> 
> Referring to God as  "Father" is, of course, standard in
> Judaism, so that's no indication of  anything.
> 
> My point is that the Hebrew Scripture prophecies refer
> to  an extraordinary human being who is obviously favored
> by God but do not  indicate that he is to be of uniquely
> divine origin or status. That was an  invention of
> Christianity that isn't found in the Hebrew Scriptures,
> and  it's why Jews do not accept Jesus as their  Messiah.
> 
> John 10, 32-38 Jesus said , "at my Father's direction I have
> done many things to help the people. For which one of these good
> deeds are you killing  me?"< They replied,"not for good work,but
> for blasphemy, because you , a mere  man have made yourself
> God."< Jesus replied, "It is written in your own law  that 
> God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!'
> And you know that the scriptures cannot be altered. So if those 
> people, who received God's message, were called 'gods' why do you 
> call it blasphemy when the Holly One who was sent into the world
> by the Father says, 'I am the Son of God'? Don't believe me
> unless I carry out my Father's work. But if I do his work, 
> believe in  what I have done, even if you don't believe in me.
> Then you will realize that  the father is in me and I am in the 
> Father." See Psalms 82:6 I say, You are gods  and children of the
> most High. Jesus claim was not so foreign to Hebrew  scripture.

But again, he didn't claim to be the *only-begotten*
Son of God. Here he's saying, What I'm calling myself
is no big deal, so why are you getting so upset?

As you note, his claim wasn't foreign to Hebrew
Scripture. But if you acknowledge that, you undercut
your argument that he was claiming to be *uniquely*
God's Son, with a special divine status.

The Sanhedrin thought that's what he was claiming,
and he knocked it down. How much clearer can you get?
*He* didn't think of himself that way.

I'm not arguing that Jesus was *not* God's only-begotten
Son. I'm highly dubious, but that isn't my point. I just
find the Christian claim that the whole thing is all 
laid out in the prophecies in Hebrew Scripture to be
disingenuous.


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