TurquoiseB wrote:
> With all due respect, as I suggested when you first 
> posted here, it is the newbie's "duty" to spend some
> time figuring out How Things Work On This Forum. It
> is *not* the long-term members' "duty" to make things
> easy for them. Do the work; you might find it reward-
> ing. There are some diamonds here among the turds.
I frequently join forums (not so much Yahoo groups) and having been 
involved with forums and BBS systems since 1983 realize that they tend 
to build cliques and can be a little hard to penetrate.  But I just jump 
in.  If they don't like it, tough.  I posted something on a new forum 
the other day and immediately one of the people posted a barrage back 
not having anything to do with my post but because I had posted 
something that might take away attention from them.  And of course 
examining that topic realized that is exactly what that person does.  
They are in great need of attention so they almost overpost in an 
attempt to get it.  With years of experience you quickly learn who these 
people are when you join a forum.

In another forum on video one guy posts like a complete illiterate, he 
can't spell at all nor handle grammar.  He writes at a level above 
texting.  Maybe you'd think that he is foreign and English not his 
primary language but his videos display something different.  His 
narrations on the video don't display any of this and he is by no means 
someone unfamiliar with English.  He apparently never learned to write.  
But like the case above this guy starts topics and wants to be the 
center of attention.  To his credit though he doesn't take offense if 
you correct him on something.

What I often think I am seeing on FFL is some late comers to the 
Internet and online communication.  They're a bit like the people who 
send emails, new to computers, who write "friendly letter" format which 
is way out of style for email where memo format has ruled for year 
hearkening back to the days of 300 baud modems or slow networks where 
brevity was championed.  They don't understand these are chat lists.  
Casual communication is in order not formal debate.  I think they expect 
a polite tea party and get a keg party instead.  I'm on a few lists that 
are run like tea parties and they are a little strained (pardon the pun).

And then we of course have the artificial behavior or mood making that 
the TMO has ingrained in people. Those who expect holy people to be 
pious and never use harsh slang would do well to start packing their 
bags for a trip to India where they've apparently never been and get a 
reality check. :)




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