Off-World, this is absolutely exciting. I've always wanted to talk to someone
who was having red-hot, metal-melting kundulini on an almost daily basis. I
have so much I want to ask. So here goes, with inserted questions below. (For
anyone who missed Off-World's fascinating post, I've also left the original
intact at the bottom.)
Off-World wrote:
It is entirely based on thousands of experiences I have had over the
last 5 or 7 years. I am only now understanding them, and able to
when I think about my experiences I can't
really consider them any less than the most REAL experience of any
kind I have ever had.
Bronte:
I totally relate, and wasn't challenging your experiences in the least.
Personal experience is very high on my measuring scale when I'm researching a
subject. I have often observed that my most "real" and also my most meaningful
life experiences are not events that occur "in the world" but internal
ocurrences.
I could be wrong, so I don't talk about it much.
The reality that is clear to me is that the field of bliss
is a vast ocean of burning lava of or bliss, not just some mild
meek nicey nicey thing, that seeps gently up over a long time.
True, but water can express as a tsunami or a puddle and everything
inbetween. When kundulini came to me in the love experience I described, it was
soft, cloudlike and riverlike, but the powerful kundulini all the same. I only
knew that years later after I had experienced some of kundulini's intenser
expressions. They were the same thing, only different in degree.
Perhaps Maharishi knows this too, perhaps he thinks it will be much
slower and gradual for the world. I can't see that myself, but maybe
it will be slow enough for beings to adjust. I just can't see it
though. The power of that thing is too strong. And I really believe
it is more of a natural birthing of the planet. Completely natural.
maybe for those who have been sidhas for a while it will not be so
dramatic, and they shall ride it more naturally
Maybe that's what our efforts in the movement were supposed to be about:
helping make a smoother transition for the world when the global transformation
happens. I don't think it has to be harsh. We have the ability to temper that,
for ourselves and for others.
It is full of bliss, all-power, bright light, emptiness, and fear all
at the same time. Very strange.
Hmm. I don't feel fear or emptiness when I have the burning, although I don't
like it when I want to fall asleep. Can you sleep when this is going on?
About the fear and emptiness ... what is it that's empty? What is the fear
OF? That you will burn up? I have considered sometimes that if the burning I
feel got much more intense, it WOULD be scary -- I'd be afraid I was going to
burn up. Do you think people CAN burn up from kundulini? People who've died of
"spontaneous combustion" -- do you think that's what it was all about?
My take on the fear thing is that while it's present with kundulini at times,
it is not kundulini itself but rather a person's resistance to it, their
doubting of it. By itself, kudulini is power and fire and beautiful. It is the
trumpet call that wakes the spirit and calls the body to new life. Maybe that's
what the angel's trumpet call symbolizes in the Book of Revelations.
The purification is like a hot metal rod burning, but it is
not damaging or painful, only healing. Oftentimes (3 or 4 times a
week), it fills most of my sleeping night with fire and bliss and
neuronal purification, and I am often surprised how the world has not
transformed the next day.
That is so beautiful. You're my new kundulini guru, Off-World. (Guru in the
good sense.) Do you do anything to manage the energy, or do you just let it do
its thing? Do you think kundulini can "get stuck" in a blocked chakra or other
body area? If so, how does that feel, and how do you unblock the river?
Well, the body must change completely. Every cell and neuron would
have to transform completely to accomodate this bright burning
purifying fire.
Yes, yes, I've often sensed the destiny of this fire is to consume my body as
I know it and transmute it into an immortal one. Physical immortality is
certainly theoretically possible, since all the cells are made of is energy,
which is itself immortal. A body that "ran on" higher consciousness, that was
"wired" with high enough conscious, would not be subject to decay. The force
that makes this transformation IMO is the kundulini. It seems made for that.
If his theory of the effects of consciousness are
correct, then there is no way it is going to be a slow gradual change
over 100-200 years. It is exponential change, and the end of it will
be moving so fast, we would likely call it armagedon, but not in the
negative sense of the interpretation of the Bible. But as the Bible
describes correctly there will be much extreme fear, and chaos and
transformation of matter, but the absolute end result will be a
higher level for all.
I think that's where we come in -- the people who've already journeyed a ways
down this corridor (the people who've been experimenting with meditation and
consciousness-raising all their lives). We are here to be the tip of the snow
plow. We can make it easier for the rest, when the transition comes, by
creatively visualizing how we want the transformation to me. Thoughts create
reality, and if enough of us picture this world change happening joyously
instead traumatically, that's how it will come down, IMO.
"Killing" or "dying" is an metaphor for the power of it. You don't
die and get put in the ground, but it will be as close to dying as
you can get. That is my experience of it. That is why Jesus talked
about being 'born again'. To not use these very strong dramatic terms
such as "being burned alive by the purifying bliss" would be to give
the listener the wrong impression. It is a great thing I think, but
not necessarily fun on all levels. The image of the Balrog in the
movie Lord of the Rings seems a perfect expression of what we may
have to face in the end. If you are ready, and accept the fear, then,
like Gandhalf, you will be transformed.
I don't remember that scene of the movie, but I grok you here. I think we
feel scared of what we don't understnd. If a person can know that walking into
the fire is a good thing, designed to remake their body, not destroy, the fear
is not a hindrance and you can just dive in. Sort of like jumping into a very
cold swimming pool on a very hot day -- you know it's going to zap you, but
you're going to enjoy it once you get used to the water. I'm hoping you can
help me with my fear of possibly getting injured or physically burning up. If I
can get past that (and learn how to fall asleep), I will surrender to kundulini
rather than resist it. Do you buy the stories you hear about kundulini being
dangerous?
Anyway, maybe it will be different for different people, but I still
don't see how you can get enlightened without facing great fear in
your deep psyche, and transforming it into the energy it was supposed
to be in the beginning. Not fear, but energy.
Said so beautifully, Off-World -- "the energy it was supposed to be in the
beginning." It was fear that railroaded this creation. Kundulini may be the
door that opens the world to the power of God. IMO, the Infinite One had an
original joyous divine intention for the universe that never yet got realized.
It's still lurking to manifest. Kundulini may be the means.
> off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "BillyG." <wgm4u@>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> >
> > > I've NEVER experienced the awakening of the kundalini! I only
know
> > > about it theoretically.
> > >
> > > I haven't been following this conversation carefully, but might
> your
> > > never
> > > having experienced it account for your having a hard time
> believing
> > > that
> > > others in the TMO have?
> >
> > Yes, a lot! After 38 years I haven't, plus I still haven't heard
> from
> > anyone here that has, and you haven't offered anything or anybody
> that
> > has even claimed it!! Like, "I have a hard time believing", but
> > believing whom????? Once is good, but would hardly qualify as
> > functioning from the home of ALL the laws of nature.
> >
> > Have you raised your serpent fire, and if so, more than once?>>
>
> Yes, but it is not a serpent.
> That is another misnomer of the theorists.
>
> It is a purifying fire that will burn you alive, and there will be
> nothing left of you. It has the power to completely change the
brain
> and body in short time. Overnight. And you will forget about
chakras.
>
> One day all humans will experience this and it will seem like
> Armageddon to them. The whole planet will go insane because they
have
> no understanding of this. It will be planetwide and it will be a
> force that engulfs all humans. But what happens in the realm of
> matter will not be important since the transformation will occur
> completely, and the old self will be gone. History will be gone.
You
> will die, and be re-born entirley as a completely new being. This
is
> a natural flowering of the now pregnant Earth. She is pregnant and
> she is about to give birth. There will be much birthing pain, but
the
> newborn baby will wipe all that from memory.
>
> Kundalini will purify your brain as if someone took a hot poker and
> seered it into your brain, but there will be no pain, only bliss.
> However, there will be much fear and anguish among those who have
not
> already had the experience, and have not acknowledged its
frightening
> power, and therefore can face into the bright searing light and
> accept the fear. This will happen within the next 5 years
planetwide.
>
> OffWorld
off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- In [email protected], Bronte Baxter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Off-world, where did you get that stuff about the kundulini? Is it
a strong feeling you get, something some teacher predicted, something
you read somewhere? >>
It is entirely based on thousands of experiences I have had over the
last 5 or 7 years. I am only now understanding them, and able to
somewhat put them into words. It is VERY strange, and hard to
explain.
<<It sounds kind of extreme to me. >>
Maybe you're right. But when I think about my experiences I can't
really consider them any less than the most REAL experience of any
kind I have ever had. However, I could be wrong, so I don't talk
about it much. The reality that is clear to me is that the field of
bliss is a vast ocean of burning lava of or bliss, not just some mild
meek nicey nicey thing, that seeps gently up over a long time.
Perhaps Maharishi knows this too, perhaps he thinks it will be much
slower and gradual for the world. I can't see that myself, but maybe
it will be slow enough for beings to adjust. I just can't see it
though. The power of that thing is too strong. And I really believe
it is more of a natural birthing of the planet. Completely natural.
maybe for those who have been sidhas for a while it will not be so
dramatic, and they shall ride it more naturally
It is full of bliss, all-power, bright light, emptiness, and fear all
at the same time. Very strange.
But I could be wrong. All I know is the experience gets more frequent
and I understand and assimilate it more. I also know that if someone
had these experiences and did not have the intellectual knowledge, or
preparation to grasp it, they would probably think they were going
crazy. The purification is like a hot metal rod burning, but it is
not damaging or painful, only healing. Oftentimes (3 or 4 times a
week), it fills most of my sleeping night with fire and bliss and
neuronal purification, and I am often surprised how the world has not
transformed the next day.
<<I think a new time is coming, but I hope transformation doesn't
have to burn us alive.>>
Well, the body must change completely. Every cell and neuron would
have to transform completely to accomodate this bright burning
purifying fire. I just can't see how it could go gradually because I
feel it is exponential and when you look at an exponential curve that
is my sense of this experience for the world. But maybe it could go
slowly. When Maharishi talks about a transition phase that we are in,
I am more convinced now that he is avoiding to mention that towards
the end of that phase there will be a sudden and dramatic
transformation. If his theory of the effects of consciousness are
correct, then there is no way it is going to be a slow gradual change
over 100-200 years. It is exponential change, and the end of it will
be moving so fast, we would likely call it armagedon, but not in the
negative sense of the interpretation of the Bible. But as the Bible
describes correctly there will be much extreme fear, and chaos and
transformation of matter, but the absolute end result will be a
higher level for all.
<< Kundulini can come burningly or softly. I've experienced it both
ways. It's not meant to kill you but to open you. That's my take on
it anyway. >>>
"Killing" or "dying" is an metaphor for the power of it. You don't
die and get put in the ground, but it will be as close to dying as
you can get. That is my experience of it. That is why Jesus talked
about being 'born again'. To not use these very strong dramatic terms
such as "being burned alive by the purifying bliss" would be to give
the listener the wrong impression. It is a great thing I think, but
not necessarily fun on all levels. The image of the Balrog in the
movie Lord of the Rings seems a perfect expression of what we may
have to face in the end. If you are ready, and accept the fear, then,
like Gandhalf, you will be transformed.
Anyway, maybe it will be different for different people, but I still
don't see how you can get enlightened without facing great fear in
your deep psyche, and transforming it into the energy it was supposed
to be in the beginning. Not fear, but energy.
But maybe I am way off track...but I am enjoying these experiences
more than ever, although I used to get more freaked out by them more
than now.
OffWorld
>
>
> off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "BillyG." <wgm4u@>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> >
> > > I've NEVER experienced the awakening of the kundalini! I only
know
> > > about it theoretically.
> > >
> > > I haven't been following this conversation carefully, but might
> your
> > > never
> > > having experienced it account for your having a hard time
> believing
> > > that
> > > others in the TMO have?
> >
> > Yes, a lot! After 38 years I haven't, plus I still haven't heard
> from
> > anyone here that has, and you haven't offered anything or anybody
> that
> > has even claimed it!! Like, "I have a hard time believing", but
> > believing whom????? Once is good, but would hardly qualify as
> > functioning from the home of ALL the laws of nature.
> >
> > Have you raised your serpent fire, and if so, more than once?>>
>
> Yes, but it is not a serpent.
> That is another misnomer of the theorists.
>
> It is a purifying fire that will burn you alive, and there will be
> nothing left of you. It has the power to completely change the
brain
> and body in short time. Overnight. And you will forget about
chakras.
>
> One day all humans will experience this and it will seem like
> Armageddon to them. The whole planet will go insane because they
have
> no understanding of this. It will be planetwide and it will be a
> force that engulfs all humans. But what happens in the realm of
> matter will not be important since the transformation will occur
> completely, and the old self will be gone. History will be gone.
You
> will die, and be re-born entirley as a completely new being. This
is
> a natural flowering of the now pregnant Earth. She is pregnant and
> she is about to give birth. There will be much birthing pain, but
the
> newborn baby will wipe all that from memory.
>
> Kundalini will purify your brain as if someone took a hot poker and
> seered it into your brain, but there will be no pain, only bliss.
> However, there will be much fear and anguish among those who have
not
> already had the experience, and have not acknowledged its
frightening
> power, and therefore can face into the bright searing light and
> accept the fear. This will happen within the next 5 years
planetwide.
>
> OffWorld
>
> >
> > > By the same token, there are many who have a hard
> > > time that people on this board or living in FF are enlightened.
I
> > >mean, they
> > > seem so normal. There are even things about them we might not
> like.
> > >They
> > > can't fly. How could they be enlightened?
> >
> > So are they enlightened? And how do you, would you know? Has
anyone
> > at FF claimed they were Enlightened, and if so, how many? Just
one?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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