On May 10, 1:36 pm, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is my suggested scenario for FarCry's world domination using the
> current CPL licensing model and for Daemon to be rewarded for there
> awesome efforts:
>
> 1. Daemon release FarCry 5 under the current CPL and it gets hyped on
> blogs, at CFUG's, CF events etc.
> 2. Every CF man and his dog (aussie term) are wowed by how they can
> now easily install this great CMS and on shared hosting even!
> 3. CF developers everywhere are now thinking about how they can use
> this free open source CMS for their next CMS project or client sites.
> 4. The FarCry user base explodes.
> 5. Developing plugins for FarCry suddenly becomes an attractive option
> for revenue from CF development.
> 6. We see the release of a killer ecommerce plugin then a CRM plugin
> and someone even starts selling a SAP integration plugin.
> 7. Some of these classy plugins are commercially licensed by Daemon
> who as the developer of FarCry leverages their know how of FC. They
> also commercially license an extra sexy version of the FC CMS plugin
> with a Flex based admin. Because the project is licensed under CPL,
> Daemon can merge anything submitted to the OS CMS pluing into there
> own stuff.
> 8. Developers pitching FarCry for bigger projects/organisations can
> now tell companies they can easily do X,Y and Z using the commercially
> supported plugins out there.
> 9. Now that there is so many more developers using farcry, there are
> also many more keen to submit bug fixes and get involved in the
> direction and development of new out of the box functionality. The
> project rewards these people by having major contributors and
> companies as FarCry Project Contributors.
> 10. Adobe realising that FarCry is helping to drive new sales
> contributes money/resources.
> 11. A year goes by and the Blue Dragon Open source project has finally
> encouraged web hosts around the world to now offer CF hosting.
> 12. The FarCry user base reaches critical mass and thousands of non CF
> developers consider this cheap hosting that includes a CMS with option
> plugins.
> 13. Success!!

Its a great scenario!  Though I'm not sure how that differs with
FarCry being under GPL and having an option for people to release
commercial plugins. Casting my mind back i think that has been our
business plan for each release of FarCry since v1.0.  Perhaps its time
for a change in tactics?

> Under a change to GPL the only way I could see FarCry reaching its
> potential would be if Today Blue Dragon Open Source was installed
> (like PHP) on every web hosting server and there was an army of open
> source contributing CF developers driving it forward.

I'm not sure I understand what you are basing this prediction on.  Why
would the number of low end installations by punters wanting a CMS be
diminished by a change in one open source license to another?  Most
people go out and download a solution and install it.  They have no
intention of modifying or redistributing it.  It's free, it works,
it's all they want.

For example, you want a forum app? Many people go and install PHPBB.
They don't even think of the license.  They just want a solution.
I've done it myself.  No idea what the license was -- just checked,
and guess what -- GPL. Another forum I like: Vanilla forum: 
http://getvanilla.com/
Had to download it to find the license! Ah.. GPL.

> Okay so assuming that releasing FarCry 5 under the current CPL which
> gives it the best chance for success what about rewarding Daemon for
> their efforts? Well I see the following revenue opportunities for
> them:
> * commercially licensed FarCry

Why bother if its CPL?  There is very little incentive.

> * commercially licensed CMS and other plugins

This might be great for those developers who are only investing in the
plugin.  But it puts Daemon at a significant disadvantage in that it
has to maintain the core framework, engage the community, and then
only after that devote resources to compete with others selling
plugins and services.

> * support and training

No difference between CPL and GPL.

> * developer certifications

No money in this at all.  In fact its a definite loss leader.  We
would absolutely need an alternative income stream from the community
to fund such an adventure.

> * partner or contributor certifcation.

See above.

> My motivation for seeing FarCry succeed is a selfish one, simply I
> want to be able to keep developing using ColdFusion. If FarCry 5 is
> successful that means I can keep pitching and developing using CF for
> a long time yet. So Geoff and the rest of the Daemon team I urge you
> to NOT change to GPL but keep the current CPL license for FarCry 5.

Can you please explain how the GPL prohibits you from doing *exactly*
what you are planning under the CPL?

Again, thanks for taking the time to participate in this thread.

Best regards,

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/

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