On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Robyn Bergeron <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Joerg Simon <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Gregory, > > > > if a FOSS community starts to deal to much with itself it could be, that > focus > > gets lost and is not healthy. > > I think there is a risk to fail if one is trying to succesfully transport > > business measurement techniques one to one from business world into a > FOSS > > Project. Measurement is about control and business controlls will not > work > > here. But maybe we can adopt some of it! Please, this is not meant as a > > discouragement, it is a good idea to learn how things work in FOSS first > - i > > know you are very eager to start and that is the reason i try provide you > an > > answer for your questions - maybe we can achieve something great by > combine > > things from both world. > > I would agree that there is definitely not a 1:1 from FOSS to the > business world. I used to work for a Very Big Processor company, where > most things came out of a marketing plan, and I would be willing to be > a very large sum of money (or at least, a coffee for someone!) that if > employees came to work and started doing something that was not on the > plan, upper management would have had numerous seizures. And god > forbid if people who didn't even work there started showing up and > doing things. I'd also bet (now i'm up to two coffees!) that if Linus > had had a marketing team defining a list of project requirements, we > would all be typing our emails on a different type of machine right > now. > >>>There have been several articles on places such as CNET and the like which highlight the deficit of linux/open source looking at the marketing perspective. I believe that marketing is key to strategy and development in any organization, anywhere is the world. > > That is not to say that Marketing, specifically the strategic > marketing end of things, doesn't have a role in Fedora or Linux. FOSS > simply has a different way of going about things; users see gaps, or > room for improvements, and they come and fix it, and become > participants in the overall community. Many of these community > members are doing this on their own time >>> I know, I am one of them. > , not as part of their jobs; > if they wanted someone to dictate to them what they should be working > on, they would probably just go and work longer hours at their jobs. > > Strategic marketing, in my opinion, should be a guiding light for the > engineers. Imagine if a group of people got together and decided to > build a road, so they just do it (I'll just ignore the part about how > the government is totally going to come and slap them around for not > having permits and whatnot). These road engineers, who are busting > their butts doing an awesome job for the greater good, don't want > people nitpicking them to death on what they aren't doing; they might, > however, appreciate information like, "Oh hey, you guys are aware that > 6 miles up the road you haven't built yet is a huge chasm - you might > want to start thinking about how to build a bridge!" or "Hey guys...we > just talked to the people in the city, and it looks like you might > need an additional lane for all the traffic you're going to be > getting." And when the road is done, it never hurts to let them know > that - hey! - 95% of the community thinks that your road is freakin > awesome. > >>>Possibly? > > Basically, doing end-user research accomplishes a few things - it lets > engineering know what is going right, and what is not going so right, > and maybe what can be done to fix it. There are also tons of untapped > potential community members out there; if we present them with a list > of ways to participate, rather than expecting them to find a niche on > their own, we can get more participants. > >>>EXACTLY!!!! How will anyone new to the area be able to find your "house" without a map or directions? > > I'm pretty sure that was fairly incoherent. I'll be going to find > some caffeine now. :) > >>>Don't worry. You were pretty coherent :) > > -robyn > > > > > > > On Wednesday 14 October 2009 14:22:11 Gregory Zysk wrote: > >> One thing I would like to start with to help all of you form a marketing > >> mindset is to ask the question of "What happened in June of 2009 within > the > >> Fedora Project? > >> > >> As you can see: https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/AmbassadorMetricsviews > >> that we have had a steady increase since measurement began in January of > >> 2006. That is until June of 2009. > > > > Just for notice - Fedora is far more than the Ambassadors Group which is > only > > a (large) sub-project > > > >> Once we can answer this question, we can begin to answer these > >> sub-questions: > >> 1) Who were these ambassadors? > > > > In the past the Ambassador Group was often used by new Contributors as an > > entry level Group - which is what the Ambassador Group is definitely not > - > > because you have not only to present Fedora as an OS - also the Project > itself > > and therefore it is imperative to know the project better than anybody > else. > > This is the reason why we have established a strong mentoring process and > have > > a new membership process. > > > > You can see the result, who they are where they are from ... > > for the last month's here > > https://fedorahosted.org/fama/report/6 > > > >> 2) What specific contributor groups were they apart of? > > > > this should be easy to get from FAS by writing a script - is there a > > volunteer around ;) ? > > > >> 3) Where did they go after they left the ambassador group? > > > > You will notice the incursion in Jun 09 this was a big clean up > > of inactive accounts > > http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html > > > > > > Hope this helps to clarify a bit > > > > cu Joerg > > > > -- > > Joerg (kital) Simon > > [email protected] > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > > http://kitall.blogspot.com > > Key Fingerprint: > > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Gregory Zysk https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gmzysk Fingerprint: 4643 E1AE 1AAD 85D4 6276 7C42 3591 A189 B8BF 04D6
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