My apologies, I recommended the wrong group.  FIVCats2 is the right one.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MaryChristine,I agree with you that the fiv+ boys are the best.My 3 fiv
> boys are the sweetest babies and my fiv girl is a sweetie too.I will
> probably ALWAYS only adopt fiv cats from now on.We have around 70 fiv cats
> at Sids and I would say that 95% are very sweet.Of course as with any cats
> you can get grumpy ones too.
> Sherry
> *MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV
> group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated
> to go into.
> i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living
> with them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary.
> does that count as direct experience?
> FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in
> terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else.
> the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the
> HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the
> virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are
> the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so,
> despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use
> HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all.
> the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the
> vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine
> product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even
> on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot.
> FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once
> neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the
> virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the
> western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the
> butt trying to run away.....
> should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the
> canines prevents them from biting deeply enough.
> FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it
> seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info
> (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs
> are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they
> respond to treatment as well as any other cat.
> most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things
> can get them as well.
> MC
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <
> > Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to
> > me?  I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have "met" *and
> > lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh).  I have
> > heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely
> > affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human
> > HIV?  I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by
> > deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact?
> >
> > I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around
> > his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV.  He was clearly
> > neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear.  He says it's a
> > wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie.  He has him in the bedroom for now (his only
> > room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely
> > aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around
> > outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their
> > differences and they will fight.  He wishes he could keep the cat but with
> > his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter
> > when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due
> > to transmission to his cat.
> >
> > The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an
> > abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u
> > next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and
> > said "segregate!"- as they always do.
> >
> > I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a
> > "special needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a
> > non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would
> > be willing to take him on.  In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue
> > to "foster" him in his home while I work to help him out with the
> > situation.
> >
> > In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have "talking
> > points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o
> > prior FIV experience is willing to take him.  The man seems to understand
> > that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv
> > or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated.
> >
> > Any info that anyone has will be great!  Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
> > and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others!
> >
> > thanks,
> > Caroline
> >
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