Hi,

I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that suffered head 
trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not aggressive in any way but he does 
display other odd behaviors. He does not play with toys and he is not 
interested in catnip. He's really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital 
is a strong sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is 
on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked the cat's 
mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with medication because they 
have bad teeth or mouth sores. 

Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the cat had a 
head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We have carpeting and all 
the times my cat has had a seizure he's never gotten stuck in the carpet in any 
way, though I imagine it could happen.

One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a tight circle 
over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing it too much I have  to 
give him extra medication to hopefully avoid a seizure.

--
Michele

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From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> I apologize for the length of this email but I need some help. It appears the 
> non-FELV kittens that I fostered a year ago in Sept.- whom all had severe 
> UTIs 
> and were rescued from the general population at Metro-- and whom I feel that 
> I 
> literally rescued from certain death due to the severity of their UTIs-- are 
> coming back to haunt me. You may recall that 2 of that group that I was 
> unable 
> to get my hands on to foster early enough I feel- I wasn't able to get to 
> them 
> until Dec.- ended up dying in late Jan. (Posse- maybe of wet FIP or a 
> congenital 
> heart defect- I believe the latter) and early Feb. (Brumley- maybe of dry FIP 
> or 
> Toxo). 
> 
> Well, one from this same group (we have no info about whether any are 
> littermates, but all were condo-mates and foster-mates at some point) was 
> returned to me yesterday. He was adopted out in Dec.- frankly- to a lady I 
> did 
> not want him to go to, but was forced b/c he was not my original rescue (it's 
> a 
> long story)- but she had clear health issues and this cat was always the most 
> hyperactive kitten I've ever fostered and I really suspected he would make 
> mince-meat of this old lady and her husband. 
> 
> They called yesterday to say he's been having seizures since the end of July. 
> He's been to the vet twice- shortly after the seizures started. I'm not clear 
> on what the vet did that first visit- the people said vet took blood, didn't 
> find anything, and the cat was doing okay until recently when the seizures 
> started again. I did have the vet fax me records, but I am having difficulty 
> reading her notes from the first visit for seizures. The adoptive parents say 
> he pulled out nails during the seizures on the carpet and he indeed seems to 
> have a few bloodied nails- but he won't let me touch them to examine. The vet 
> put him on clavamox for the nails. 
> 
> They took him to the vet yesterday morning again due to more seziures and the 
> vet took more blood to send off to the lab to check for FIV/FELV and most 
> importantly, Toxoplasmosis (he previously tested neg for Felv/FIV). We are 
> awaiting those results that won't be in until Monday at the earliest and of 
> course, I know ALL about the titers and the antibodies so I don't necessarily 
> expect the blood work to tell me much, unless of course his Toxo titers are 
> thru 
> the roof (but even still?). 
> 
> Other than his bloodied nails and just looking a tad more neglected than I 
> would 
> like (some dander, dirty back feet pads, getting fat- big belly droop that I 
> am 
> NOT happy about- the cat just turned 1!, and he had fleas (which the vet 
> treated 
> him for)), he looks like a wonderfully healthy cat. But then again, if he's 
> having neurological issues, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to look 
> unhealthy 
> on the outside. 
> 
> The adoptive parents called me b/c they said they cannot medicate him. They 
> were given Phenobaribitol to help control the seziures and Clavamox. The lady 
> said she couldn't get either in him b/c he is aggressive and has bit her many 
> times and scratched her.l The husband got on the phone and said his wife is 
> not 
> in good health, he's trying to care for her, and he "can't have the cat doing 
> that to her" so if I didn't come get him, he would put him down. I asked if 
> he 
> was willing to wait until the results of the blood panel JUST taken that 
> morning 
> came back (which they will have to pay for?) and he said no. So I knew I 
> wasn't 
> dealing with people like me and there was no way I was going to ask any more 
> questions other than those regarding his health and meds. 
> 
> I've had him since yesterday and I was able to medicate him, but then again, 
> come on, I'm good-- I have to admit that. I've had the worst of the worst and 
> I've been doing this since I was 5, so.... I figured these two people just 
> can't 
> handle even the slightest struggling cat-- she is a teeny tiny thing with 
> frail 
> arms that shake, she is almost legally blind I think and she is prone to 
> falling, so, yeah, when this cat decided he didn't want to be medicated 
> anymore, 
> there wasn't anything these people could do about it! So far, he has not had 
> any seizures in my presence and I spent most of last evening with him. It 
> doesn't appear he had any in his crate either b/c the crate is not trashed. 
> But 
> I have gotten all his Phenobar doses in. 
> 
> What I have observed is odd behavior changes. When I fostered this cat-- he 
> was 
> just always nutty and hyper. He would run around like a crazy thing and when 
> I 
> would go to pick him up, he would growl. I thought it was funny and harmless 
> and he did it only b/c he wanted to be down and running- just a willfull 
> little 
> monster. My mom thought he was beyond a handfull and couldn't wait for him to 
> get adopted b/c he was just a maniac! His adoptive parents said yesterday 
> that 
> he only recently started growling and he "never did that before"- which I 
> find 
> that hard to believe b/c he always growled!? That was his "thing." I treated 
> it like a party trick b/c I like for them to all have their own lil 
> personalities- even if it's something stupid like growling for no reason! So 
> now 
> I just don't know if I believe anything these people say. Their vet said the 
> seziures are not good news and she suspects Toxo or a tumor and that his 
> behavior changes could be from the neurological defects- especially if it's a 
> tumor. I guess it's too early to speculate. I have set him an appointment 
> with 
> the Doctor that I entrusted Brumley's care to and I felt did a good job with 
> Brum and whom I communicate with so well. The appt is Monday. 
> 
> In the meantime, this is scary and new territory for me. I haven't mixed the 
> lil dude with my Yoda, and the two current fosters I have. They all live in 
> my 
> room and share a condo at night and they have become the 3 Musketeers! One is 
> a 
> kitten and I don't want to expose her to anything until we have investigated 
> further and also, don't want them to have to be around a seizing cat. They 
> are 
> all so sensitive and very happy with their life as is, so I don't want to 
> throw 
> them for a loop by adding my new and ill dude. Plus, he is demonstrating 
> aggressive qualitites that I just don't know if they are behavioral or part 
> of 
> some neurological disorder? He does not like treatment- what cat does?- but I 
> do have to treat him like a wild animal for the medicating b/c it's like a 
> switch flips and he knows what I am trying to do and he instantly starts 
> stalking around the room, growling and hissing. He also seems to have lost 
> his 
> ability to play with toys? All my fosters are toy-heads and he was definitely 
> one. When I brought him toys last night, he looked at them like he didn't 
> know 
> what they were and if I tossed one, he growled at it and became aggressive- 
> not 
> play aggressive, but actually mad! Not good mad at all. Thus I stopped doing 
> that b/c I felt like toys were a potential provoker. He seems to enjoy laying 
> around the room with me. He does purr and knead and rub up against me, lay 
> with 
> me and enjoy scratching. But if I get out a towel to wrap him up for 
> medicating, literally, it's like from 0 to 60 instantly and he becomes Mr. 
> Hyde. 
> It's very odd. I'm just stumped. I plan to rely on my vet on Monday A LOT 
> obviously, but if anyone has had any experience with seziures in cats or has 
> any 
> thoughts on the behavior vs. neurological defects debate, I would so 
> appreciate 
> it. I think we are doing okay considering, but I just need some other heads 
> in 
> the mix to help me solve this puzzle. 
> 
> thanks 
> caroline 
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