I too have little experience with seizures.  I have heard of using  
steroids, rather than phenobarb, for seizures, but dont know anything  
about it..  I've recently been around a kitten that moved in a tight  
circle, we suspected brain injury,  so appreciate that info Michele..

Best of luck,

Gloria



On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that  
> suffered head trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not  
> aggressive in any way but he does display other odd behaviors. He  
> does not play with toys and he is not interested in catnip. He's  
> really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital is a strong  
> sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is  
> on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked  
> the cat's mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with  
> medication because they have bad teeth or mouth sores.
>
> Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the  
> cat had a head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We  
> have carpeting and all the times my cat has had a seizure he's never  
> gotten stuck in the carpet in any way, though I imagine it could  
> happen.
>
> One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a  
> tight circle over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing  
> it too much I have  to give him extra medication to hopefully avoid  
> a seizure.
>
> --
> Michele
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>
>> I apologize for the length of this email but I need some help. It  
>> appears the
>> non-FELV kittens that I fostered a year ago in Sept.- whom all had  
>> severe UTIs
>> and were rescued from the general population at Metro-- and whom I  
>> feel that I
>> literally rescued from certain death due to the severity of their  
>> UTIs-- are
>> coming back to haunt me. You may recall that 2 of that group that I  
>> was unable
>> to get my hands on to foster early enough I feel- I wasn't able to  
>> get to them
>> until Dec.- ended up dying in late Jan. (Posse- maybe of wet FIP or  
>> a congenital
>> heart defect- I believe the latter) and early Feb. (Brumley- maybe  
>> of dry FIP or
>> Toxo).
>>
>> Well, one from this same group (we have no info about whether any are
>> littermates, but all were condo-mates and foster-mates at some  
>> point) was
>> returned to me yesterday. He was adopted out in Dec.- frankly- to a  
>> lady I did
>> not want him to go to, but was forced b/c he was not my original  
>> rescue (it's a
>> long story)- but she had clear health issues and this cat was  
>> always the most
>> hyperactive kitten I've ever fostered and I really suspected he  
>> would make
>> mince-meat of this old lady and her husband.
>>
>> They called yesterday to say he's been having seizures since the  
>> end of July.
>> He's been to the vet twice- shortly after the seizures started. I'm  
>> not clear
>> on what the vet did that first visit- the people said vet took  
>> blood, didn't
>> find anything, and the cat was doing okay until recently when the  
>> seizures
>> started again. I did have the vet fax me records, but I am having  
>> difficulty
>> reading her notes from the first visit for seizures. The adoptive  
>> parents say
>> he pulled out nails during the seizures on the carpet and he indeed  
>> seems to
>> have a few bloodied nails- but he won't let me touch them to  
>> examine. The vet
>> put him on clavamox for the nails.
>>
>> They took him to the vet yesterday morning again due to more  
>> seziures and the
>> vet took more blood to send off to the lab to check for FIV/FELV  
>> and most
>> importantly, Toxoplasmosis (he previously tested neg for Felv/FIV).  
>> We are
>> awaiting those results that won't be in until Monday at the  
>> earliest and of
>> course, I know ALL about the titers and the antibodies so I don't  
>> necessarily
>> expect the blood work to tell me much, unless of course his Toxo  
>> titers are thru
>> the roof (but even still?).
>>
>> Other than his bloodied nails and just looking a tad more neglected  
>> than I would
>> like (some dander, dirty back feet pads, getting fat- big belly  
>> droop that I am
>> NOT happy about- the cat just turned 1!, and he had fleas (which  
>> the vet treated
>> him for)), he looks like a wonderfully healthy cat. But then again,  
>> if he's
>> having neurological issues, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to  
>> look unhealthy
>> on the outside.
>>
>> The adoptive parents called me b/c they said they cannot medicate  
>> him. They
>> were given Phenobaribitol to help control the seziures and  
>> Clavamox. The lady
>> said she couldn't get either in him b/c he is aggressive and has  
>> bit her many
>> times and scratched her.l The husband got on the phone and said his  
>> wife is not
>> in good health, he's trying to care for her, and he "can't have the  
>> cat doing
>> that to her" so if I didn't come get him, he would put him down. I  
>> asked if he
>> was willing to wait until the results of the blood panel JUST taken  
>> that morning
>> came back (which they will have to pay for?) and he said no. So I  
>> knew I wasn't
>> dealing with people like me and there was no way I was going to ask  
>> any more
>> questions other than those regarding his health and meds.
>>
>> I've had him since yesterday and I was able to medicate him, but  
>> then again,
>> come on, I'm good-- I have to admit that. I've had the worst of the  
>> worst and
>> I've been doing this since I was 5, so.... I figured these two  
>> people just can't
>> handle even the slightest struggling cat-- she is a teeny tiny  
>> thing with frail
>> arms that shake, she is almost legally blind I think and she is  
>> prone to
>> falling, so, yeah, when this cat decided he didn't want to be  
>> medicated anymore,
>> there wasn't anything these people could do about it! So far, he  
>> has not had
>> any seizures in my presence and I spent most of last evening with  
>> him. It
>> doesn't appear he had any in his crate either b/c the crate is not  
>> trashed. But
>> I have gotten all his Phenobar doses in.
>>
>> What I have observed is odd behavior changes. When I fostered this  
>> cat-- he was
>> just always nutty and hyper. He would run around like a crazy thing  
>> and when I
>> would go to pick him up, he would growl. I thought it was funny and  
>> harmless
>> and he did it only b/c he wanted to be down and running- just a  
>> willfull little
>> monster. My mom thought he was beyond a handfull and couldn't wait  
>> for him to
>> get adopted b/c he was just a maniac! His adoptive parents said  
>> yesterday that
>> he only recently started growling and he "never did that before"-  
>> which I find
>> that hard to believe b/c he always growled!? That was his "thing."  
>> I treated
>> it like a party trick b/c I like for them to all have their own lil
>> personalities- even if it's something stupid like growling for no  
>> reason! So now
>> I just don't know if I believe anything these people say. Their vet  
>> said the
>> seziures are not good news and she suspects Toxo or a tumor and  
>> that his
>> behavior changes could be from the neurological defects- especially  
>> if it's a
>> tumor. I guess it's too early to speculate. I have set him an  
>> appointment with
>> the Doctor that I entrusted Brumley's care to and I felt did a good  
>> job with
>> Brum and whom I communicate with so well. The appt is Monday.
>>
>> In the meantime, this is scary and new territory for me. I haven't  
>> mixed the
>> lil dude with my Yoda, and the two current fosters I have. They all  
>> live in my
>> room and share a condo at night and they have become the 3  
>> Musketeers! One is a
>> kitten and I don't want to expose her to anything until we have  
>> investigated
>> further and also, don't want them to have to be around a seizing  
>> cat. They are
>> all so sensitive and very happy with their life as is, so I don't  
>> want to throw
>> them for a loop by adding my new and ill dude. Plus, he is  
>> demonstrating
>> aggressive qualitites that I just don't know if they are behavioral  
>> or part of
>> some neurological disorder? He does not like treatment- what cat  
>> does?- but I
>> do have to treat him like a wild animal for the medicating b/c it's  
>> like a
>> switch flips and he knows what I am trying to do and he instantly  
>> starts
>> stalking around the room, growling and hissing. He also seems to  
>> have lost his
>> ability to play with toys? All my fosters are toy-heads and he was  
>> definitely
>> one. When I brought him toys last night, he looked at them like he  
>> didn't know
>> what they were and if I tossed one, he growled at it and became  
>> aggressive- not
>> play aggressive, but actually mad! Not good mad at all. Thus I  
>> stopped doing
>> that b/c I felt like toys were a potential provoker. He seems to  
>> enjoy laying
>> around the room with me. He does purr and knead and rub up against  
>> me, lay with
>> me and enjoy scratching. But if I get out a towel to wrap him up for
>> medicating, literally, it's like from 0 to 60 instantly and he  
>> becomes Mr. Hyde.
>> It's very odd. I'm just stumped. I plan to rely on my vet on Monday  
>> A LOT
>> obviously, but if anyone has had any experience with seziures in  
>> cats or has any
>> thoughts on the behavior vs. neurological defects debate, I would  
>> so appreciate
>> it. I think we are doing okay considering, but I just need some  
>> other heads in
>> the mix to help me solve this puzzle.
>>
>> thanks
>> caroline
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