Thanks for this MC and Joel.  I am curious as to what you so strongly
disagree on, but it's helpful to read this none the less.

You know it seems to me that the big problem when discussing felv treatment
is related to stage at which the disease is at when treatment is initiated.

I mean if you are transiently infected and get high levels of antioxidants
in there you may be able to kill off the virus and keep it from implanting
into the DNA - CURED.  If you're too late and virus gets in, you may be able
to keep it from replicating and thereby haulting disease progression - NO
CURE I'VE EVER HEARD OF.  If you're too late for that and the virus has
implanted itself, mutated, and the cat's bone marrow starts to fail and
lymphomas and leukemias begin, you may be late to much of anything with
current therapies.

If we are to analyze this objectively, we all have to be on the same page as
to when treatment is initiated in the course of the disease, in order to
discuss potential benefits.  Well, anyway, I'll let you know what Van Dyke


On 4/20/10, MaryChristine <> wrote:
> this is from joel, whom some of you will know from FIV stuff. while he and
> i
> disagree VIOLENTLY (well, we're polite about it, but absolutely
> diametrically opposed to one another's understanding of FIV), i greatly
> respect his scientific knowledge, and his ability to follow a great variety
> of streams of research. (he followed LCTI for years before imulan bought
> it.....)
> i sent him the complete post you sent, jeni, with the details of what you'd
> found, and here's his response. it seems that he talks about that one
> active
> component, NAC, more on his personal FIV website. if anyone is interested,
> i'll pull that url from another emeow.
> he runs a yahoo group for FIV, as well, for those who follow the original
> researchers belief and continued research that HIV/AIDS and FIV are
> analogous, and that one can be treated the same as the other.
> MC
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: joel kehler
> Date: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for
> felv
> To:
> I've been aware of Van Dyke (the patent writer) for a long time.  It's hard
> to say much of anything.  If what he describes actually occurred, it's
> impressive.  But as is so often the case, the study described was never
> published on or peer-reviewed.  A woman I know said she supplemented her
> FIV+ cat with Cat's Claw and Echinacea for several years and that it then
> tested FIV-.  The marketers of Moducare published a study (their own)
> saying
> that some of the cats they first tested it on back in the late 90s went +
> to
> -.  And so on. What are you supposed to think?  It's true or it's not, but
> the results are never independently vetted, so it's as much religion as
> science to subscribe to them.
> There's no reason to think antioxidants don't have a positive effect on
> retroviral infections.  and, strange as it may seem, steroids do have some
> potential usefulness.  A certain Dr. Albert Plechner claims to use steroids
> as the primary (though not only) drug for "curing" FIV and FeLV.  There are
> even a number of vets who advertise themselves as "Plechner vets."  I will
> say that the basis for claiming NF-kB inhibition as the crucial action of
> the steroid has questionable backing since, unlike HIV, a majority of
> strains of FIV have no docking site for it and so (theoretically) it
> shouldn't be able to enhance viral replication, though inhibition might
> well
> favorably impact inflammatory symptoms.  I know of a guy who gave his dying
> cat 1200mg of NAC daily, probably inspired by Van Dyke; the cat died
> anyhow.  In fact, I'd like to meet the cats who ate all that stuff in their
> food.  Mine have always been able to sniff out the least bit of anything.
> (I gave Bud about 150mg of NAC in a capsule and even that would make him
> vomit if I did not give the capsule in the middle of a feeding.
> Bitter-tasting stuff.)  Dianne Hayes, whom you may or may not remember from
> FIVCats, gave her Max injectable NAC at the behest of her alternative-type
> vet; he kept right on deteriorating.)
> Don't know what else to say.
> Joel
> --
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> Maybe That'll Make The Difference....
> MaryChristine
> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (
> )
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