Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Margo]

Maya raises a frequent concern. I certainly recommend that everyone do their own research, and decide for them selves what they are willing (or not willing) to pursue. I spent several years on an email list for cats in kidney failure, and another for feline anemia. Both  had members who used these drugs successfully, and while the possibility of an antibody reaction was often mentioned I don't recall hearing of an instance of it occurring. Doesn't mean it doesn't, just that you need to consider risk vs benefit. From; http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm 'The antibody reaction is discussed below, but that is not normally seen (if it occurs at all) until the cat has been on an ESA for 4-5 months. This section focuses on the risks to be aware of as soon as you start using an ESA. All the best, Margo -----Original Message----- From: Maya D'Alessio Sent: Oct 27, 2015 7:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) I would be careful about using erythropoeitin or darbepoeitin, both have been shown to eventually (but not in every case) cause the cat's own immune system to recognize the drug and destroy it, which would be less of a problem if that was it, but unfortunately it also starts to recognize the cats own natural erythropoeitin and destroy it as well. This ends catastrophically badly, as without erythropoeitin, very little blood cell production is able to happen in the body. It seems to take some time for this reaction to happen, but I was just reading up on it for my guy (Merlot), and from what I read I would be very hesitant to use it. I would try Winstrol or something else first, before I tried the erythropoeitin. On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote: Amani, was one of the other medications darbepoetin alfa (Aranesp)?  I just heard about that today when I called my local vet to see if he has ever used Winstrol.  He hasn't used it for ages, but suggested that if anemia was the only issue, darbepoetin might be a possibility.  This would be for my cat Peaches, who has multiple myeloma and is FeLV negative.  The MM impacted her kidneys.  She  started chemo in August (cyclophosphamide), and is slowly improving appetite-wise, but she lost a lot of weight.  I think at her checkup next week, we will see a full remission, or close to it.  But her kidneys may have been impacted for the long term.  I am looking into Winstrol to help her bulk up (she had a bit of muscle wasting), improve appetite, and to help with her anemia.  She will be getting an iron injection for sure. Marsha On 10/20/2015 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: I feel for you Maya. If there are issues with anemia, then none of the other medications he has Merlin on, will touch the anemia, other than the Winstrol. Tell him you will sign a form if he wants you to do that, indicating that you take full responsibility for treating with Winstrol, but you want him to get it for you. Period. I just wouldn’t put up with that kind of thing, but of course, in the middle of a crisis is no time to be looking for a new vet (unless you want to travel to Toronto). _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo

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