Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can’t hurt. I would at least get > her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, > or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to > watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get > stuck in a cat’s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had > that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and > all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and > ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that > the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in > liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of > proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what > happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has > improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a > tetracycline) to have a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any > luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of > a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme > nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every > week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no > issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been > able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I’m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, > with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else > further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn’t working on eliminating > this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is > the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a > worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no > problems, I wouldn’t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. > Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for > kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when > my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little > kitten when we first got him – worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost > blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other > cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and > his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no > advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV > positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn’t > treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with > a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 > to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep > him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there – LTCI, > interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that > time. It wasn’t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get > a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit > finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low > numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating > Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, > and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the > ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I > would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating > with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is > there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there > is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn’t > go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat > would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind > anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline > in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended > treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, and > what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a > virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline > is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature > phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round > worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a > group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR > later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn’t figure out what > had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes – I am > totally embarrassed – long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a > whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle > of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including > the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY > responded to oral doxycycline – ie – nothing topical and no other > antibiotics. Anyway, I’ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and > my ultimate conclusion that deworming should probably be accompanied by oral > doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the > medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults > (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be > swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of > Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 > year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms > showed. I didn’t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should > also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should > I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going > to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might > transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of > Doxycycline. I don’t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would > be 25 mg daily. I don’t think you need to start right away – give him some > time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to > prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of > Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I > recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on > March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in > fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. > He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of > vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About > 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive > for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have > been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting > and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a > faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He > eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and > Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and > he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my > Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at > night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online > indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before > he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. > Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to > clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, > before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be > loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture > this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I > haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult > cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also > have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of > them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them > give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around > because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play > with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems > to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he > is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just > quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of > the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be > realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have > with us. > > > > JoAnne > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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