On 6/13/16, Thilo Borgmann <thilo.borgm...@mail.de> wrote: > Am 13.06.16 um 10:23 schrieb Paul B Mahol: >> On 6/13/16, Ivan Kalvachev <ikalvac...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 6/13/16, Paul B Mahol <one...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 6/13/16, Ivan Kalvachev <ikalvac...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 6/12/16, Paul B Mahol <one...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> As requested in the IRC meeting I hereby request for the >>>>>> voting committee to begin voting on whatever to ban Carl >>>>>> Eugen Hoyos from mailing list, trac and IRC for 4 months, >>>>>> starting after the voting has finished. >>>>> >>>>> I don't remember such thing to have been requested on the IRC meeting. >>>>> Would you kindly quote the relevant parts of the logs? >>>> >>>> It was requested to act because of Carl misbehaviour. >>>> Logs are available on net. >>> >>> I was on the meeting and I checked the published logs >>> before sending my first mail. >>> That's why I requested that you QUOTE the relevant part. >>> >>> Let me be blunt. Nobody have requested Carl to be banned, >>> and definitely not from ML, trac, IRC for 4 months. >>> >>> Feel free to prove me wrong, by providing the quotes I requested. >> >> Nobody requested explicitly that they want to ban Carl for 4 months, >> but they all want that his behaviour is punished. > > "all"? > > >>>>> Also, I would like to know on what grounds and >>>>> on what charges you request that punishment. >>>> >>>> On grounds that he was badmouthing others. >>> >>> That's way too vague... >>> >>> 1. I'd like to see links and quotes of him doing the things you accuse >>> him >>> of. >> >> It was all private. The last one about Derek, which was public, is just >> top of >> iceberg. > > "all private"? Private behaviour, no matter how much we dislike it, can > hardly > be a subject here. Even if it correlates to other devs and the FFmpeg > development process, it would be the task of the offended person to publish > it > and ask for actions if it really exceeds a behaviour that can not be > privately > ignored by the offended. > > >>> 2. I'd like to know why we have to ban him for 4 months exactly? Why >>> ban him from ML, IRC, Trac, but not git? >> >> Then we will ban him from git too. >> >>> How did you determined that this punishment is the one that is most >>> fitting the crimes he has done? >> >> By careful examination. > > Just a phrase. There is no possible examination if it's "all private". And > there > is no careful determination possible for a punishment because we don't have > mappings for misbehavior. Thus, what you propose is just your personal > arbitrary > opinion of a suitable punishment. Aside that applying any part of the CoC to > misbehavior of the past is inappropriate IMHO. > > >>> I can give you a lot of repeated incidents where people have badmouthed >>> Carl. >>> Should we ban them all in a similar way? Months and years after the fact? >> >> They were not first to do that, they got provoked. > > It is never this easy. Even if being provoked, reaction in an unsuitable > manner > are not justified (just human). > > >>> Also, If we are going to punish somebody, there should be a due >>> process before that. >>> Witch hunts are nasty things. >>> >>>> Many devs requested punishment. >>> Did they? >> >> Yes, on IRC meeting many requested something about him to be done. > > Above you said "all". > > >>> Many people wanted breaking CoC to have consequences. >>> But I do not remember anybody requesting Carl to be banned for 4 months. >> >> 4 months is very realistic, symbolic amount would not be good for project. > > As long as you don't explain what makes 4 months realistic, it is just your > subjective assessment. > > >>> Feel free to prove me wrong, with quotes. >> >> If you want quotes, ask Carl to give you all his private emails. > > Do you even realize what you are saying? The accused person has to prove > anything? Paul, honestly, this sentence should stay in the 18th century and > you > should really reflect your ambitions about all this. > > Many people dislike CE's behavior and that's just fine - they are free to > feel > that way. However, everyone should keep proportionality in mind and accuse > someone for _specific_ misbehavior conducted after the CoC has been adopted > and > not call for generalized, inappropriate and severe punishment.
Looks like you prefer to loose valuable developers instead of punishing bad behaviour, so be it. _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
