At 1:37 pm -0400 4/25/02, David W. Fenton wrote:

>What makes you think the Mac scenario doesn't involve a boot manager?
>
>There are plenty of boot managers for Windows that will do what you want.

David --

I didn't and don't want to fan a platform war -- I think they usually 
have as much meaning as two kids screaming, "My dad's bigger than 
your dad."

What I was trying to do was amend what I saw as a failure to 
communicate basic differences in the philosophy and execution of the 
two operating systems. Yes, there are boot managers that will allow 
you to boot into multiple versions of Windows and even Linux 
variants. All of the ones that I have looked into (admittedly not in 
great detail in years) have been third party hacks that run behind 
the operating system's back and tend to break with the next OS 
update. Microsoft seems to try to put up as many roadblocks as it can 
to keep you from using multiple OS versions and copies of your 
current OS on the same computer.

Also, though it's getting better these days, some applications get 
upset when the Windows directory isn't where and named what they 
thought it should be, and get even more upset when they are installed 
somewhere other than the C: drive. Some even get upset when they are 
installed in a sub-directory of the C: drive. (I put one of those on 
my dad's old Windows 95 laptop last month and it crashed the whole 
system when it couldn't find its folder in the root directory.)

On the Mac you just tell the computer, "Next time you wake up I want 
that folder over there to be the boot System," and it just does it. 
Nothing you then install or change affects the old System, just the 
new System. Programs never have a problem with this because they 
never look for the System Folder in a particular place; they just ask 
for the currently "blessed folder" and work their way from there.

I like being able to easily boot from multiple Systems because I can 
always boot from a scratch monkey when I'm unsure of a program. 
Installing anything on my Windows machines makes me nervous because I 
never know if I will be able to _completely_ get rid of it and it's 
modifications to the Windows folder and registry, and whether it 
replaced a .dll that I really need and have no idea how to get a new 
copy of.

>Nothing changes the basic assertion, that it's silly for the folder names
>and locations (relative to the boot directory or not) for system-defined
>folders to be hardwired in applications or in the OS.

Yes. I agree with you. I think it was some Mac-user-to-Mac-user 
grousing that started this whole thread. Apple has decided that there 
should be an "Applications" folder to contain applications and a 
"Documents" folder to contain documents in OS X (and equivalent home 
folders for individual users' non-shared applications and documents). 
This is a very Unix idea and seems to work well on multiple-user 
systems, especially those that map all of their hard disks into a 
large virtual drive. It's also antithetical to the way many Mac users 
approach their systems -- a lot of us have very free-form structures 
for our program and data storage organization.

This isn't wired into the operating system to any great degree. The 
grousing was about the fact that Apple and some of the other big 
players (e.g. Adobe) have been writing their updaters so that they 
fail if they can't find the old versions of their programs in the 
Applications folder of the boot drive. This is particularly 
brain-dead when you consider how easy it would be for them to search 
for their old version. I suspect that this behavior will change, but 
there may be some rough sailing for those of us with more complex 
organizational schemas before it does....


Best wishes,

-=-Dennis



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