If I could chime in here, there is one posture (other than "loved" and "feared") that was left out of the equation, and that was "respected",

It is good to be loved, if not loved, then at least respected, if not respected, then one must be feared...

'twas ever thus.

RW


On Saturday, August 28, 2004, at 12:55 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:


On Aug 28, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

On 28 Aug 2004, at 03:18 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:13:16 -0400, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What it comes down to is this: don't you think it's a little much to expect America to be both universally feared and universally loved? Pick one.

Firstly, those attitudes are not mutually exclusive.

Yes they are. Sorry.

Secondly, I never said that everybody has to love America. I'm just
requesting that our goodwill be met with something other than blind
derision.

Brad, all I'm asking for is a little empathy for non-Americans here. Do you know anything about the Iraqi soccer player in question? For all we know, his brother could have been tortured or killed in Abu Graib. His mother may have been killed by a bombing run gone awry. 12,000 Iraqi civilians have died so far in this conflict (and yes, we know that not all of those deaths were caused by U.S. forces. But most were.) Can you possibly imagine how you would feel your country were invaded by a foreign power and 12,000 of your countrymen had been killed in the conflict?


- Darcy
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Well, actually, I only know how it feels to have about 3000 of my countrymen killed in that manner. And we know who did that.


Dean

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Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu.
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St. Andrew Presbyterian Church
Yuba City, CA


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