On 10 Jan 2005 at 23:43, Owain Sutton wrote:

> David W. Fenton wrote:
> 
> > Also, keep in mind that this only happens once with each 
> > correspondent -- once you've been whitelisted, it's just like
> > normal, old-fashioned email correspondence.
> 
> You mean, just like if they hadn't bothered to challenge me in the
> first place?

No, if I didn't challenge you, it would mean you hadn't attempted to 
email me.

> > But it's happening because the user hasn't configured the service
> > correctly, not because of something inherently wrong with
> > challenge/response systems.
> 
> There is an inherent problem with these systems quite separate from
> the congiuration - they're REALLY BLOODY ANNOYING!! . . .

Only when MIS-USED (note the subject of this thread).

> . . . And if they're
> set up to automatically challenge everything, then that's a second
> inherent flaw, that they don't take into account the realities of
> email traffic.

If they don't automatically challenge everything, they wouldn't be 
much use.

Anyone who doesn't pre-whitelist all their known correspondents is a 
complete moron, and deserves to have their challenges ignored.

> > And I have news for those of you who ignore them: you'll eventually
> > be on an island all by yourself, with no email correspondents except
> > spammers.
> 
> I'll eat my hat.  (And I'd have to buy a hat specially.)

There is no other way to save email without completely re-engineering 
the protocols involved.

I understand the hostility to the idiot subscriber who has 
misconfigured his challenge-response system.

I do *not* understand the hostility to the system itself -- it looks 
like your garden-variety Luddite response to me.

-- 
David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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