shirling & neueweise wrote:

From: Johannes Gebauer

When you say "alignment of two expressions assigned with different tools is a problem", I simply don't get why you have to use two tools in the first place. If it is an expression, why do you not use the expression tool?


currently because i can't full-justify multi-line texts (expression tool). a simple example: i have in some scores aligned the bottom of the composer's name with the bottom of the tempo indication in m.1, which as you can imagine is a real PITA when you decide to even slightly alter the page layout.

OK, I wouldn't ever do that (and none of the publishers who I take as my ideals do that either) but that doesn't mean noone else does. you can actually do this by using an expression for the composer, but I realize that this has other disadvantages. It is a very special need though, and one which imo doesn't justify the merge of the tools. In fact, it could easily be done if the text block tool was improved with more placement options for measure attached text blocks.

I actually want the functionality of measure text blocks improved, since at the moment there is only very limited use for them. I want to be able to assign a _measure_ attached text block to a position on the _page_.


i agree totally, and from the start have suggested that the three possibilities - note-, measure- or page-attached - should be possible for EVERY Text element.

Well, that's a need I simply cannot see.

Pretty much the only thing I use measure attached text blocks for is that I change all my page text blocks to measure attached ones before I extract parts, only to change them back into page text blocks once the parts are extracted.


i don't really see the logic in this...

The logic is that if I don't do this, text blocks on pages higher than the page count of the part will disappear, and most of the text blocks will be in the wrong place on the wrong page. There is two ways around this, either attach all text blocks to the first page, or attach them to the first measure of a relevant movement (with a copy in every part).


but hey, what if you could attach them to measure 1 (for example), but define their positioning relative to the page!?

Exactly. But I would still do that in the text block tool, and not in the expression tool.

The other two situations where i use measure attached text blocks are so special I won't even go about explaining them.


please do explain them, an incomplete discussion leads to faulty conclusions.

Well, one situation is when you need fully justified text for a multi-line expression. This can be done with a measure attached text block, but has the disadvantage of being attached to one part only. I have had the need once, and didn't need to attach to more than one part, so I used a text block.

Johannes
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