On 12 Apr 2005 at 8:55, Florence + Michael wrote:

> Apparently Brahms did have something to say about women composers. Can
> anybody give me a serious source for this quote, found in a German
> musical calendar with no bibliographical references:
> 
> "Es wird dann erst eine Komponistin geben, wenn der erste Mann ein
> Kind zur Welt gebracht hat" (more or less "There won't be a woman
> composer until a man gives birth to a child")
> 
> My wife would like to include the quote in a book she's writing about
> French women composers, but she won't put it in unless she can give
> reasonable proof that Brahms actually said, or wrote it.

I think it's highly suspect, given how close Brahms was to Clara 
Schumann, who was, quite plainly, a very able composer in her own 
right. Brahms knew this, probably better than just about anyone other 
than Robert Schumann himself.

> Oh, and just for the record: I consider myself to be both an atheist
> and a feminist, but this won't stop me from loving and playing music
> by Brahms.

Er, why the hell would anyone think that my objection to one quoted 
sentiment of Brahms would mean that I reject his music? Wagner was a 
hateful anti-Semite (though probably not as bad as modern scholarship 
casts him to be, especially in terms of his contemporaries), but that 
doesn't mean I reject his music. 

I just reject Wagner's BS, just as I reject Brahms's. Their music is 
another matter entirely.

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David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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