On 7 Jul 2005 at 12:37, John Howell wrote:

> Seems to me that talking about "beats" compounds (sorry!) the 
> confusion.  Yes, 12/8 can indicate 4 "beats" per bar; that's sort of
> the default interpretation.  At a slower tempo, however, it can
> indicate 12 "beats" per bar.  I've conducted Bach slow movements that
> required exactly that.  And at a faster tempo it can indicate 2
> "beats" per bar.  Young musicians have to learn that ALL time
> signatures are variable.  They may first encounter 6/8 in the context
> of marches, 2 beats to a bar.  And they will be confused the first
> time they run into 6/8 with six beats to a bar, but that's just one
> more variable in our notation that they have to master.

Well, I disagree entirely with your point here. You're writing from 
the standpoint of a conductor -- yes, a conductor has to convey 
subdivisions in slow tempos, but that does not mean the beat has 
changed. A slow 12/8 may need 8th-note subdivisions beaten, but that 
is *not* the same thing as 12 beats to the bar.

I also don't think there's such a thing as 6/8 in six, even at slow 
tempos -- not, at least, as a standard interpretation (who knows what 
composers have imposed on poor musicians by trying to use 
conventional notation to convey something at odds with its usual 
meaning).

I think the use of a note as denominator would eliminate all these 
problems. 6/8 would become 2/Q., and would also allow one to notate 
6/E if one actually wanted it.

That makes far more sense than the absolutely idiotic 12/12.

-- 
David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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