On 31 Jul 2005 at 7:57, Phil Daley wrote:

> At 06:25 PM 7/30/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
> 
> >With WinXP, it started breaking, becoming unreliable (because of the
> >addition of the staging area, I believe).
> >
> >This was my point: using the drive CORRECTLY (as you agree, it seems
> >to me), it now, with WinXP, doesn't work reliably.
> 
> I was unaware that you could use XCOPY to write to a CD-R.

Then you didn't read the meassage you quoted in your reply.

And, of course you can use XCOPY to write to a CD-R -- it's a 
writable drive, so, naturally XCOPY works.

It doesn't work reliably in WinXP, because the CD-R writing interface 
has been hijacked and command prompts have been left out in the cold 
in a state of unreliability because of it.

> Since it is so easy to use a CD Creator program and you can save the
> "Image file" so it can be used multiple times, I can see no reason to
> use an unreliable program, like XCOPY.

How do you script a CD Creator program for regular backup, so that 
it's a single doubleclick for the end user?

Secondly, why would you want to repeatedly backup a single image of 
your data files? 

Have you given any thought to the problems I'm outlining here or are 
you just shooting off your mouth?

> I gave up using it when log files names arrived.

If you're doing a full backup, yes, imaging the drive is great.

But if all you're doing is a data backup (substantially less data), 
then it's not satisfactory.

Of course, reading again, I don't see that you are saying to image 
the drive for backup as a way of solving the long filenames issue 
(i.e., the CD file system has a limit on the length of 
filenames/paths that is less than that of NTFS, so you very often run 
into files that can't be copied to a CD with the same path name as on 
the drive you're backing up).

Second, imaging a drive to a CD-R is not going to work very well.

So, it seems *you* haven't given much thought to the issue, which is 
BACKING UP YOUR DATA. CD-R ought to be an ideal medium for that, but 
here are the problems with it:

1. the built in backup program provided with WinXP can only use hard 
drives or floppy disks, not CD-R.

2. the built-in tools for creating CD-Rs are not scriptable, so you 
can't create a backup script to run at will or no a schedule.

3. the only scriptable mtehod I know of that has worked in Windows 
for a long time is using XCOPY to back up to CD-R. This has worked 
for, literally, years, on both NT- and Win9x-based versions of 
Windows.

What would you suggest for backup, both method and medium? 

So far, you look like an idiot because you're discounting my 
experience, yet you haven't even read my messages sufficiently 
thoroughly to have even grasped the basics of what I'm talking about.

Stop shooting off your mouth and either admit you're out of your area 
of expertise or propose a backup solution that works.

-- 
David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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