On 14.02.2006 Andrew Stiller wrote:
The year is 1858. An oratorio whose 1st mvt. is purely orchestral, w. program 
annotations, while the remaining movements are for chorus and piano w.o orchestra. Latin 
title on the cover. Inside, where the title page ought to be, is a page describing the 
contents as "auch ein Tongemaelde..."

Question: in that year, would the word "Tongemaelde" signify specifically a symphonic 
poem (i.e., that the orchestral part of the oratorio can be played separately), or would it have 
still carried the more general meaning of "musical painting" that could describe the 
whole oratorio?

The only known performance, BTW, was of the first mvt. alone--but who knows 
what *that* signifies!

Andrew,

it would help to have the whole sentence, or even better, the complete text. Any chance you could scan it and send it to me? Alternatively I could give you a Fax number, if you have it in faxable format.

It is difficult to generalize, as far as I can see. I have certain doubts that "Tongemälde" would tell you anything about how to perform it, but it really depends on the context. Certainly today a Symphonic Poem would be translated as "Symphonische Dichtung", but that doesn't necessarily mean that "Tongemälde" cannot mean the same.

Johannes
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http://www.musikmanufaktur.com
http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

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