At 8:49 AM +0100 1/17/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 17.01.2007 John Howell wrote:
(One of my disagreements with the Rifkin hypothesis, whether or not it "works" for modern ears, is that in his 1731 memo Bach specifically mentioned both concertists and ripienists among the boys, and we do find such vocal parts in his hand or that of one of his regular copyists.


In what way does that disagree with Joshua's hypothesis? He uses ripienists (one to a part) for the pieces where one can assume that there were ripienists. The John Passion is a good example.

Yes, and that Passion is the piece I have studied in great detail.

But I like your wording, Johannes. If we can agree that Joshua's belief is indeed an hypothesis--an interesting hypothesis, a suggestive hypothesis, even a brilliant hypothesis--then the next stage in the scientific method follows. Test the hypothesis. Test it in Bach's own church. Test it with the instruments he would have used. Most importantly, test it with two boys and two university students who are NOT operatically trained soloists!! Arguments and opinions are easy; proof is not.

John


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