I just checked through about 20 scores from Durand, Eschig, Heugel, Salabert, Choudens, Leduc and others. I found that they all use the "standard" French beaming style where stems do not appear between beams, but I was hard put to find a score where staff lines were also removed. I finally came up with one: the original edition of the piano score of Fauré's Requiem (Editions Hamelle). Well, at least some of the staff lines are removed. On the first page of the Sanctus, for instance, they are not removed, but on several other pages they are. For those that are interested, I've made scans of the two sorts of beaming in this score, which you can see here:

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Note the strongly-angled beams. In more recent French scores, the trend seems to be towards flatter beams, so that the spaces between the beams can fall within spaces between staff lines, meaning that the question of having to erase bits of staff line never arises. To my eyes, this looks better.

Michael Cook

On 9 Mar 2007, at 22:39, Brennon Bortz wrote:

On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:57 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:

Brennon Bortz wrote:
Also, often in French beams staff lines will be removed between beams so that only white space is seen--no stems or staff lines.

Could you offer a citation for staff lines being removed? I just checked my Durand scores (Ravel and Messiaen) and they do not remove staff lines. What they often do is avoid having the beam cross any staff lines, but when the beam crosses a staff line, the staff line is visible inside the beam.

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Maybe "often" was the wrong word to use there. Still being a poor graduate student, my score library isn't enormous yet, so I can't offer many examples without diving into the library at school. At least one example has been provided though that does display this, however.

Also, Igor Engraver, a notation program that a colleague removes staff lines when creating French beams. Whether or not these are "true" French beams, for what it's worth I can attest that they do increase the readability of beamed notes.


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