David Bailey, quoting and responding to jef chippewa (I believe) noted:
>
> sure there is a lot of crap out there; there was a lot of crap written
> in mozart's time too (and from his own hand), of the thousands of
> symphonies written up to the mid-late 1800s, how many still survive?
> part of this reason has to do wioth economics and politics, but part of
> it is because they were just shit and not worth preserving :-P . but i
You get no argument from me about that, except that by your argument, if
it's shit it's because nobody bothered to master it. Isn't that your
contention in this thread -- that most people who dismiss the modernists
like Ferneyhough have mostly failed to learn how to master it and
dismiss it as unplayable for that very reason? Or is it okay to dismiss
music of the past as crap yet not to be allowed to make a personal
decision on recent music using the same criteria?
How do you know that the symphonies which were lost were real crap, and
not just stuff that the musicians of the day couldn't be bothered
mastering and so they dismissed it as unplayable.
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Actually, recent musicology has produced references to lost works which were
potential stinkers; AFAIK, no scores or parts have been found but most scholars
agree these works were destroyed or recalled by their composers:
Mozart: The Jupiturd Symphony
Debussy: La Merde
Handel: The Water Closet Music
Berg: Three Feces for Orchestra
Stravinsky: The Fireturd
Wagner: The Good Friday Smell from Parsifart
Bartok: Dungarian Sketches
Webern: Funf Plotze
I'm sure others will come to light, but hopefully - only apocryphal references
and not actual performances.
Ducking back out of sight,
Les Marsden
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