At 7:27 AM -0800 12/20/10, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I have an ex student F.B. friend, who wants to know if the last line of this Old English version means "deliver us from evil," or from "Yule." Any experts?

Dean

What's "F.B."?  Fullback?

But I would certainly trust the majority of modern English translations, in which it is certainly "deliver us from evil." "Y" often subsituted for "i" or "e," and "u" and "v" were still considered the same letter as were "i" and "j." Not bad for a text that had to make its way from Aramaic through Latin (and possibly Greek as well) into the variety of modern and not-so-modern languages.

Although I'm a bit surprised that the church would have allowed a vernacular translation in the 13th century (which I believe might be Middle English rather than Old, which is basically German), since the church reserved to itself the interpretation of scripture and actively discouraged translations. That was the century of Eleanore of Aquitane and King Henry II (two of whose sons became Kings and several of whose daughters became Queens), and while the politics were wide open, the hold of the church was definitely NOT!

It's also interesting to note that this version uses debts ("dettys") rather than the opposing translation "trespasses." I've always wondered where THAT difference in translations came from, since it's a rather different meaning. And it's also missing the modern ending, which makes me wonder when THAT was added. Linguistics and semantics are fascinating subjects, which I have studied much too little.


This is a 13th century version. Oure Fader that art in heuene, halewed be thi name. Thi kyngdom come to us. Thi wylle be don, as in heuene, & in erthe. Oure eche dayes breed geue us to day. & forgeue us oure dettys, as we forgeue oure dettourys. And ne lede us not in temptacyon, but delyuere us of yuel. Amen.

John


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