I'm glad to see someone from Makemusic on this forum. My early assessment of the Hide Empty Staves function is that it is unusable for more than one staff at a time. It is simply too destructive because it messes up systems that are already finished.
I will be using TGTools Staff List Manager from now on. Thank goodness it still works well enough for this purpose! On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Fiskum, Steve <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the reply Chris. I've been burned by this too many times to > trust it so I always go for the handle. Wish you could give us something > visual to let us know what's going on. > > Steve > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Young, Chris [[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hi Steve, > > I can understand that. The method of clicking directly in the first > measure of the system will highlight the staff for that system only, and > should help avoid the unintended selection of all systems in the document. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Fiskum, Steve > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hello Christopher "Clicking with the staff tool to the left of the system > will highlight the entire staff for the document." IS the problem because > it is easy to miss the staff handle and do exactly what you point out when > all you want to do is move a specific page's staff. The odd thing about the > new system is that it seems to be easier to move a staff on ALL pages than > to move a staff on a single page. It really should be the other way around > because in most cases when engraving a file you are going to be performing > so many subtle tweaks to the staves on individual pages 98% of the time. > > Steve > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Young, Chris [[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > Hi All, > > I just wanted to jump in and hopefully offer some help on this. The new > staff spacing system is done on a selection basis, and while it can be > difficult to select just the one handle for spacing an individual system, > please be aware that you can also simply select the region you'd like to > adjust, similar to selecting measures. So, if you'd like to space just the > first system, you can click directly in the first measure with the staff > tool, then drag the handle. If you'd like to expand that selection, hold > shift and click in the first measure of the next system. You'll only move > the selected systems this way. Clicking with the staff tool to the left of > the system will highlight the entire staff for the document. > > Hope that helps! > > Christopher Y > Notation Product Specialist > MakeMusic, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of J D Thomas > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system > > A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that > would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now > set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can > do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any > selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I > find I use that a ton in AI. > > I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. > I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) > for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old > optimization feature. > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > > > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be > > very frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a > > bit to allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not > > so easy to move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure > > you click on the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because > > you will easily move the systems on all pages. This was the first > > thing that was hard to get used to for me especially since I usually > > work while viewing a single page at a time. It would be great if we > > had a different highlight color so we would know which part of the staff > tool's staff moving function was ON. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally > >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it > >> may because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one > >> when hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: > >>>> On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >>>>> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves > >>> vertically in > >>>>> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I > >>>>> like > >>> the > >>>>> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without > >>> dragging > >>> any > >>>>> others. > >>>> > >>>> It's Alt+drag in Windows. > >>> > >>> If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key > >>> that is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while > >>> dragging expressions for example). > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Jari Williamsson > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Finale mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
