Part of this situation may well involve Human Playback. It still is NOT clear to me that HP interprets dynamics correctly/wisely. It seems to use a combination of CC7 volume and CC1 modwheel. Under that circumstance, the tone of winds and brass will not change as much as it would if CC1 dominated the dynamics.
The tradeoff with Garritan samples is cost, integration with Finale, and library size versus expressive capability. To that end, the samples were designed such that velocity controlled attack for winds and brass instead of having various attack samples, and CC1 controlled volume AND added brightness via filter as dynamics increased (instead of using multi-velocity-layer samples). The samples were also offered dry, in order to allow users to control the sound environment. Of course, ANY sample library will sound bad out of the box. Having said that, I will also express an opinion that MM has done a very poor job of integrating Garriten instruments into the operation of Finale. Furthermore, HP remains a black box with limited customization, and the MIDI Tool--the ideal place to do tweaking--has remained unchanged since I first bought Finale 2.0 in 1989 or so. Configuration files and essential XML files are strewn about a user's hard drive instead of having a central location, and simple typos in XML files prohibit users from loading instruments properly. When MM acquired Garritan's IP, I hoped for seamless integration into Finale. If anything, it's gotten worse instead of better. James C. Williams, MBA, CFP E. B. Lacy Professor of Business Franklin College Euphonium Player Around several Towns ________________________________________ From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] on behalf of Craig Parmerlee [cr...@parmerlee.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale I agree 100% with what Chuck said. Without tweaking, it is pretty lame. I struggle with the volume levels. I really have to work to get anything heard in the mix. Spreading out the stereo field helps a lot. Adjusting the way Finale interprets articulations, especially the marcato mark, helps, but not nearly as much as I had hoped. In other instrument libraries, you hear a real difference in timbre from the low velocities to the high velocities. For example, really hammering on a piano doesn't sound anything like delicate playing. The winds have the same degree of variation -- if not a lot more -- and none of that seems to come through with the Garritan sounds. It is particularly frustrating with a "shout chorus" that is common in big band charts. In those sections, you expect the winds (especially the brass) to really sizzle, but you will probably not achieve anything like that effect with the JABB library. I don't know that there is a better solution out there. Maybe technology just hasn't progressed enough yet. It does seem to have progressed (in other libraries) with pianos, guitars, basses, drum kits, and strings. Nonetheless, I agree that it is worth $75. It is going to be better than MIDI playback without any tweaking. On 12/3/2013 1:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > The JABB sounds are better but not great. Piano, bass, drums, guitar and > baritone sax are good. Clarinet, bass clarinet and flute are good. Upper > saxes and brass are a lot less good. We expect (justifiably) such nuance and > shaping of those sounds in the jazz style that it is probably too much to > expect to think that static samples would be satisfactory. All in all, the > sounds are helpful to me. I have learned to estimate pretty well what a good > band will sound like from the JABB kazoos, but you have to make some balance > adjustments in the mixer. The trombones are far too loud for the rest of the > sounds. My take is that they are worth $75. > > Hope this helps. > > Chuck > > Chuck Israels > (360) 201-3434 > Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
