What Christopher suggests is (pretty much as always), the best way I have found 
to do things.  It does require taking the time to create a suffix library, but 
once it's done - it's done.  I use Bill Duncan's chord symbol and chord suffix 
fonts and find them attractive and flexible enough, and slash chords are 
handled pretty well.  All my templates are pre-loaded with the necessary 
suffixes.  I avoid the jazz font and any other computer font that pretends to 
look handwritten.  The built in dichotomy of seeing something that pretends to 
have a personal touch reproduced identically with unerring computer precision 
is more than I can tolerate, and it always looks ugly to me.

I also agree with Christopher that this is a problem for a music program to 
handle because of inconsistencies in the way different folks choose to write 
chord symbol shorthand.  Bill Evans had a personal way of doing it that I read 
with ease when working with him - a system that no one else I know uses.  
Dominant 7ths were written normally.  Major 7ths had a horizontal slash through 
the 7, the way Europeans write a 7 in order to distinguish it from a 1, which 
they commonly write with such a long hook on top that it can be mistaken for a 
7.  Bill's method was perfectly efficient and made a symbol like Fm Maj7 far 
more compact and easily understood.  Accommodating all the quirky ways that 
people write chord symbols is a lot to ask of a notation program.

Chuck


On May 17, 2014, at 5:15 AM, Christopher Smith <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> Part of the problem is that there ISN'T a standardised way of writing chord 
> symbols. For instance, CM7, depending on where you live, could mean major or 
> minor 7, while C+7 could mean dom7(#5) or major 7. While Finale DOES have a 
> couple of more-or-less consistent libraries included in some common systems, 
> there are many missing symbols and some common systems are entirely missing. 
> Band In A Box doesn't have to worry about fonts, kerning, or positioning, so 
> its job is a little easier, but that doesn't excuse Finale for not being able 
> to do this better. After the Shape Designer, chords are the worst aspect of 
> Finale right now.
> 
> I would say that creating your own library and loading it into your default 
> document is the only way to go. Delete the ones that are there first, though.
> 
> BTW, there are problems with certain libraries when loaded into documents 
> with different default music fonts. When you load the Arial library into a 
> Jazz document, all the parentheses change to Jazz, which have different 
> baselines than Arial so they are not only in the wrong font, they are also 
> the wrong vertical position. The same problem occurs when you load a JazzCord 
> library into a Maestro document, in reverse. You can edit them manually, but 
> this is a huge job I would rather not do every time I load a frickin' chord 
> library. I edited them once in my default document, and leave it alone now.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> On Sat May 17, at SaturdayMay 17 7:12 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> 
>> I use chord symbols on almost every project I do, and Finale drives me 
>> nuts every time.  For me, the spacing is the least of my problems 
>> (although I agree spacing is not great).  To me, it is a lot more 
>> basic.  Every chord I want to enter, Finale doesn't seem to recognize, 
>> and it doesn't seem to follow any common nomenclature system consistently.
>> 
>> I suppose after all these years, I should have dug into it and crated my 
>> own library, but I haven't.  How is it that if you use a program like 
>> Band-in-a-box, it knows what I mean in about 95% of the cases, but 
>> Finale doesn't seem to recognize the most basic suffixes?
>> 
>> Is this solvable by developing a better library or are the problems 
>> endemic in the software instead?  If it is a library issue, maybe a 
>> group can collaborate to develop a library that actually works.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/15/2014 5:26 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>> Once you get a nice library set up (with that tiny little un-resizeable 
>>> edit window where the nudge buttons don't work!) it is pretty painless. I 
>>> have many, many issues with the chord tool, though.
>>> 
>>> Christopher
>> 
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