Title: Re: Starting Sawfish in Xdarwin
Dear Patrick,
Thanks for your help. These are the Gnome stuff that I have installed (as shown by dselect):
––––––– Up-to-date Optional packages in section gnome –––––––
installed install install Optional gnome control-center 1.
installed install install Optional gnome gconf 1.
installed install install Optional gnome gdk-pixbuf 0.
installed install install Optional gnome glib 1.
installed install install Optional gnome gnome-libs 1.
installed install install Optional gnome gnome-vfs 1.
installed install install Optional gnome gtk+ 1.
installed install install Optional gnome libglade 0.
installed install install Optional gnome oaf 0.
installed install install Optional gnome orbit 0.
installed install install Optional gnome rep-gtk 0.
installed install install Optional gnome scrollkeeper 0.
And these are the ones that I don’t have:
––––––– Available Optional packages in section gnome –––––––
not installed purge purge Optional gnome bonobo <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome bonobo-conf <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome bundle-gnome <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gal <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome glibwww <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gnome-applets <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gnome-core <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gnome-games <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gnome-print <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gnome-user-docs <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gnome-utils <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gnomemm <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gtk+extra <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gtkhtml <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome gtkmm <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome libgtop <n
not installed purge purge Optional gnome mc <n
Which one should I install besides “bundle-gnome”?
Several things to clarify:
1. Thoughts... recommended to change the last line of my .xinitrc file to “exec /sw/bin/gnome-session” made XDarwin to quit right after starting (without showing the clock and the xterm windows). So I changed it back to what it was. Thanks for the tip, Thoughts...
2. I have a Kensington 2 button mouse with a wheel that works as a third button. However, I don’t think that I have any driver installed so I could not middle click on the desktop to get a menu to show up. But I found out that if I were to “Command-Left Click”, I can get a menu to show up to modify Sawfish settings.
3. Thanks for all the tips about Sawfish being a window manager. I now know the differences between Gnome and Sawfish. I saw a Cow theme for Sawfish on theme.org and would like to be able to make that my theme. Any tips on how to do so?
4. I have mention about the background in my original post. I probably meant Wallpaper. On the same Cow theme, the screen shot shows some backdrop. I would like to have something on the desktop other than the black & white pattern that I have right now. Any tips?
Thanks so much for all the help so far. I am really enjoying this!!
Chia
On 03/27/02 3:49 PM, "Patrick Hurh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Chia,
>
> I'm like you. Using MacOS X and XDarwin. I believe you have it set
> correctly. However, sawfish is just a window manager and not a desktop
> environment. See below to see how I work:
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, at 01:39 PM, Eric Gillespie wrote:
>
>> Chia Hung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> 2. When I minimize the windows, they just disappear. What am I
>>> doing
>>> wrong?
>>
>> Nothing. Sawfish is a window manager and only a window manager.
>> It doesn't do anything else, not even provide an icon manager.
>> Traditionally, the answer is to use it with GNOME, but that's
>> overkill for OS X (plus i don't think GNOME runs on OS X anyway).
>> Personally, i never use the minimize button (even on my NetBSD
>> systems). The button on the far right of the title bar collapes
>> ("shades") the window like original MacOS. You probably just want
>> to use that.
>
> GNOME has been compiled to run on XDarwin. It is a Fink package. I use
> it as an alternative to the Mac OS, especially when I am running as
> xterm (logged into a larger network of sgi's). Anyway, I run in rooted
> mode and switch between mac OS X and XDarwin on the fly. It works really
> smoothly. However you have to get used to the Xwindows environment, the
> Gnome Desktop environment and sawfish all at the same time so the
> learning curve is a little steep.
>>
>>> 4. How can I get backgrounds showing up? How about the icons for
>>> the
>>> programs?
>
> I presume you mean desktop patterns (wallpaper), Gnome handles this as
> well as adding a task bar that is a great substitute for minimized
> icons. It also allows for multiple work spaces and pull-down (pop-up)
> menus. I don't believe the nautilus file manager has made it over to
> XDarwin yet though so you'll have to make do with an xterm and UNIX
> commands. I find it very refreshing after muddling around with twm and
> MacX. Of course your mileage will vary.
>
> If this sounds what you are looking for, I recommend you use fink to
> download and install the Gnome convenience package. However, some Mac
> users at my location find Gnome too much baggage and prefer just running
> twm (or even MacX in classic mode).
>
> Hope this helps,
> --patrick.
>
>
>
