Alexander,

OK, tried what you said.  I got as far as my blackbox app launching, but
then couldn't get to gnome.

>From the console:

2003-06-23 20:58:34.606 XDarwin[663] 
XDarwin 1.1.1.1

This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any
way.  Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions,
please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository
(http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs)

XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 October 2002
        If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your hardware is
        newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
        reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Darwin
Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping.
Display mode: Full screen Quartz
Screen 0 added: 1024x768 @ (0,0)
Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
Thus no job control in this shell.

failed to set locale, reverting to "C"
BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x22, depth 15
The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
> Error:            Can't find file "unknown" for geometry include
>                   Exiting
>                   Abandoning geometry file "(null)"
Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
BImageContol::~BImageControl: pixmap cache - releasing 59 pixmaps
Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping.
Display mode: Full screen Quartz
Screen 0 added: 1024x768 @ (0,0)


waiting for X server to shut down 


Quitting XDarwin...


-----Original Message-----
From:   Alexander K. Hansen
Sent:   Mon 6/23/2003 6:13 PM
To:     Francis Maier; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:     
Subject:        RE: [Fink-beginners] Gnome and XDarwin

You shouldn't need to use sudo to do startx, but I don't think that's
your
problem.  Try running the Console utility
(/Applications/Utilities/Console.app) and then try to run from
XDarwin.app--that way you can see the messages the same way you do from
a
startx.

Alexander K. Hansen
Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University
visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center
Levitated Dipole Experiment
175 Albany Street, NW17-219
Cambridge, MA  02139-4213



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