On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 08:56, David R. Morrison wrote:
> OK, I'll take a crack at it this time.
> 
> First off, it seems that the survey is trying to do two separate things:
> (1) gauge how much use of Fink there actually is, and (2) probe Fink users
> for information about what parts of Fink are most useful to them and how
> Fink should evolve, in their view.
> 
> I assume that the point of (1) is either to advertise to the world how
> great Fink is, or to try to convince Apple to play a greater role in Fink.
> I frankly don't think that statistics would have any effect on Apple at
> this point.  After all, they make and sell an operating system and a few
> apps, and they really rely on many third-parties (like Fink) to provide
> other apps.  I'm sure that they would be delighted to learn about how many
> people use Fink, or Photoshop, or PowerPoint, but it's not likely to affect
> their business decisions or practices.
> 
> Moreover, including this kind of question really does make it look like a
> marketing device of some kind.  In my view (one man's opinion), Fink is a
> project, not a product, and marketing is not appropriate.
> 
> As far as (2) goes, some of the questions are excellent, but a few others
> seem to specify possible directions for Fink's evolution which need to
> be thought through before our user base is surveyed about them.

I think this summarizes my feelings on it as well, better than I could
have done.  =)

>  4) I'm not sure what you mean by "via Cvsup".

This is another method of distribution that uses a combination of rsync
and CVS for getting updates.  If I understand it correctly, it's more
expensive as far as local storage, but updating is cheaper, so it tends
to be preferred by people on slow links...

> The help that we really, desperately need is for more users to be willing
> to enable the unstable tree, compile packages from source, and report to
> the maintainers their successes and failures.  That's much much more
> important than finding people who are willing to fill out surveys, in my
> view. 

YES!

I get maybe 1 success story a week from users, despite the fact that I
maintain (to varying degrees <g>) a huge set of packages.  I know that
"KDE" works, but I would like for more people to say "hey, ksirc is
broken", or "why is kolf so slow?".  I know some bits of KDE don't work,
but most of the time I can only do spot checks.  Starting and running
300 applications is pure madness.  Therefore I've only done it once or
twice.  =)

Oh, and as to the issue of CDs, I'd be willing to take on putting
together a Fink CD, and the necessary tools/scripts/etc. to automate CD
generation as much as possible.



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