On 6/14/13 8:07 AM, Alexander Hansen wrote: > On 6/14/13 7:43 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 07:21:12AM -0700, Alexander Hansen wrote: >>> The discussion below also applies to 10.8. >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [fink-seed] 10.9 >>> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:06:55 -0700 >>> From: Alexander Hansen <alexanderk.han...@gmail.com> >>> Organization: Fink Core Team >>> To: fink ADC/seed NDA list <fink-s...@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> CC: Jack Howarth <howa...@bromo.med.uc.edu> >>> >>> On 6/14/13 6:52 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>> If you execute 'java', the user is directed to Oracle's web site >>>> (without >>>> clear instructions to install either the jre or the jdk). The legacy >>>> Java 1.6 >>>> runtime is only installed when you try to execute programs which are >>>> already >>>> linked to that framework. I assume this is the same as current 10.8. >>>> One >>>> problem we may have on both 10.8 and 10.9 is the location of the >>>> dylibs in >>>> the Oracle JDK. Unlike Apple, Oracle doesn't install the JDK as a >>>> framework. >>>> As far as I can tell this results in the the dylibs residing in a >>>> path with >>>> the full java version number embedded in it as described in... >>>> >>>> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/webnotes/install/mac/mac-jdk.html >>>> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/webnotes/install/mac/mac-install-faq.html >>>> >>>> >>>> It is unclear to me how executables linked against the shared libs >>>> in... >>>> >>>> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_21.jdk/Contents/Home/jre/lib >>>> >>>> are supposed to find their shared libs when the jdk gets updated to a >>>> newer release. It would seem that users need to install both the jre >>>> and the >>>> jdk. As far as I can tell, the JRE installs its dylibs in... >>>> >>> >>> According to Oracle, the JDK includes the JRE, and this appears to be >>> the case on my system, too. >>> >>>> /Library/Java/Home/bundle/Libraries >>>> >>>> whereas the JDK uses the versioned directory... >>>> >>>> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_21.jdk/Contents/Home/jre/lib >>>> >>>> and these don't even match up as the same libs. This is very >>>> confusing since >>>> the framework linkage used by JDK 1.6 doesn't clearly indicate which >>>> dylibs >>>> are used to resolve symbols. >>>> Jack >>>> >>>> >>> >>> eww, right. A specific example being: >>> >>> $ ls -l >> >>> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_21.jdk/Contents/Home/jre/lib/libawt.dylib >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -rwxrwxr-x 1 root wheel 563940 Apr 7 15:10 >>> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_21.jdk/Contents/Home/jre/lib/libawt.dylib >>> >>> $ ls -l /Library/Java/Home/bundle/Libraries/libawt.jnilib >>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4652208 Apr 16 14:10 >>> /Library/Java/Home/bundle/Libraries/libawt.jnilib >>> >>> We've got a current issue on fink about the system-java virtual packages >>> for 10.8 related to this, too. It took me this long to figure out >>> _what_ the heck I was actually supposed to download and install so that >>> I could actually experience the issue. This only affects dependencies >>> and not actual package builds. >> >> It also may be help to bring this issue up on the macports-dev mailing >> list to >> see what information they have on the problem and how it is to be >> addressed there. > > Knock yourself out. I'm not a subscriber. > >> The only obvious approach I see would be to force users to install >> both the jre and jdk >> but have the builds use the headers from the jdk but link against the >> libs in >> the jre. >> Jack >> > > Oracle _claimed_ that the JDK subsumed the JRE, but after checking on a > system with a clean 10.8 install where I only installed the JRE, I don't > have /Library/Java/Home.
On 10.8, I _think_ the legacy Java framework is still installed by default. Rather than making assumptions, though, I can create a virtual machine and find out. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison My package updates: http://finkakh.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev _______________________________________________ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
