On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 01:34  PM, Ronald Florence wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 03:32  PM, Ben Hines wrote:
>
>> Why do you think it would trash your XDarwin installation? If you 
>> have a manual install of XDarwin (not thorough fink) just install 
>> system-xfree86. If it doesn't give you that option, it is a bug, let 
>> us know where that happens.
>
> After upgrading to the 10.2 experimental package, adding the unstable 
> trees to my fink configuration, and doing `find selfupgrade' the 
> script asked me to choose between two versions of xfree86-rootless.  I 
> may be mistaken, but I don't think the system-xfree86 placeholder was 
> one of the options. I assumed that if I made either choice, fink would 
> attempt to add a package that might overrwrite a working XDarwin 
> installation.  If system-xfree86 had been one of the options, I would 
> have chosen it.
>

"fink selfupdate-cvs" you mean? Please post the exact commands you 
tried and their responses. We can't fix anything with vague reports 
such as this. :)
Are you saying that you do in fact have "system-xfree86" installed? 
"fink list xfree" says what?


>> So you really aren't willing to help us test the upgrade?
>
> Yes, I'm willing to help test the upgrade.  But I come from a 
> Solaris/Unix world where the process of testing new packages and 
> upgrades is out-in-the-open: you import a package, unpack it, compile 
> it, and use it.  While I much admire the work that has gone into the 
> fink scheme, and recognize how


Ok.  It sounds like your confusion is not fink-specific, but rather to 
using any package manager at all. :) Fink is not the only package 
manager.
  For solaris, there is a relatively new effort at 
http://solarpack.sourceforge.net/ which uses fink itself as its model. 
It looks like solaris has never really had a serious packaging system 
until Solarpack. (sunFreeware?) See 
http://solarpack.sourceforge.net/slides-intro.html
  Fink is also similar to the Gentoo Linux portage packaging system, and 
it of course uses debian tools as its backend which come from Debian 
linux. Also of course BSD has its "BSD Ports" packaging system. Other 
linuxes use RPM.


> convenient it will ultimately be for users, it is quite frustrating as 
> a beta-tester to get cryptic and sometimes confusing messages from 
> fink without understanding what is going on behind the scripts.  I 
> write this not as an accusation, but as an explanation of why I (and I 
> suspect other newcomers from the Unix world) are sometimes confused by 
> fink.
>


You can install packages one at a time if you wish. You don't have to 
do "update-all". Fink also has a simple packaging format. If you want, 
take a look at the packaging manual on the web site, and also at the 
files in /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/base for example to see 
what fink reads when it installs a package.

http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/packaging/intro.php

-Ben



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