----- Original Message ----- From: "David T. Hardy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: [inbox] Re: UK refrain "Better a victim than a defender be."
> At 8:59 PM +1000 3/28/04, Tim Lambert wrote: > > >Here we go again. Just like in the Tony Martin case, the version of > >the story propgated by pro-gunners omits the facts that show that the > >killing was not done in self defence. Lindsay stabbed Swindells FOUR > >TIMES in the back while Swindells was fleeing. > > In any event, as they teach Frontier Utilitarianism in Southwestern > Philosophy, the real question is whether the world is a better place > minus Swindells, or as one of the great minds in the field phrased > the test, "Did he need killin'?" I think the bigger question is what the circumstances were surrounding this killing. There are circumstances where stabbing a person who is fleeing is clearly wrong, and perhaps this is such a case. I would not assume that this is always the case. Outnumbered four to one, at least one of whom had a gun, it might well have seemed appropriate to kill in order to reduce the number of those engaged in a tactical and temporary retreat. Did the jury convict in this case because the actual circumstances of Swindells' death were criminal? Or because they were expressing disapproval of the victim's occupation as a drug dealer? On March 24th, I posted the original version of what happened from the Scotsman on my blog at http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2004_03_21_archive.html#108015360613714145. Within a couple of days, I received additional information about the circumstances, and updated that entry with the additional information. Mr. Lambert needs to be aware that not everyone who read the Scotsman's story saw other accounts. The Scotsman, of course, is the well-known pro-gun newspaper of Britain. :-) Clayton Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof
