The simple conclusion is “a state infringing RKBA means its militia is not
well-regulated” according to US Constitution, 2nd Amendment and that
conclusion is unquestioningly binding on Federal Government.  I claim it is
binding on any of the states in the US, too.  Here is the argument

We know at least that Congress cannot provide resources to a militia that
will not be well-regulated (at least without violating the Constitution).
For, otherwise, it would be able to conspire with the states to circumvent
provisions in the Constitution binding on the Federal government.  Suppose a
state undertakes to train its militia but forbids arms to the people
(infringing on the right to arms of such parts of people of the United
States who live in the state).  Can the militia provide for service to the
Federal government by that state be “well-regulated?”  Obviously, the
militia does not meet the US Constitution criteria for a “well-regulated”
militia.  Conclusion, the Federal government if forbidden to accept for
service or to provide resources to train any militia of a state that
infringes the right of its people to keep and bear arms.

But, that would mean the Federal government (Congress) couldn’t call forth
the militia of that state or train it invalidating Congress’ powers to do so
in Article I, SECTION 7 of the Constitution.  So, in order for a state to
provide a militia to Federal service which meets the Constitution’s binding
requirement on the Federal government of being well-regulated, the state
cannot infringe the right to keep and bear arms of its people.

Seems clear enough to me and I suspect the USSC of 1886.

Phil



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    Congress's *power* to provide for organizing, arming and discipling the
militia would likely give it substantial authority to preempt state laws
that disarm citizens.  To take one example, if Congress were to conclude
that every member of the militia, which is to say every adult citizen age 18
to 45, must have a handgun in his home, that would be a proper exercise of
Congress's power, and would preempt state laws that bar private possession
of handguns.  It may well be that the early Militia Acts had such an effect,
though I don't know of any state laws of the time with which they would have
conflicted.  Likewise, Congress's other powers could give it some authority
to preempt other state laws.

    But it hardly follows from this that the *Second Amendment* itself
preempted state laws.  The Second Amendment barred federal disarming of
individuals.  But it didn't require the federal government to arm
individuals, or to enact laws that preempted rival state laws.  It may have
expressed a view on what the federal government should do (regulate the
militia well), but it didn't require the federal government to do so; it
only barred the federal government from infringing the right of the people
to keep and bear arms.

    Folks, the Barron view is orthodoxy for good reason.  It reflects the
better reading of the constitutional text, the drafting history of the Bill
of Rights, and how the Bill of Rights was apparently understood in the
1790s.  There are some contemporaneous dissents from it, and some modern
ones.  But it is on balance correct, as applied to the First Amendment
(which expressly mentions Congress), as to the Second Amendment
(notwithstanding Congressional powers to preempt rival laws), and as to the
other Amendments.

    Eugene

Phil Lee writes:

The US Constitution in Article I, SECTION 7 gives Congress the power "To
provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia, and for
governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United
States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the
officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress"

Seems to me that this provision says Congress has power about how the
militia is to be armed and trained.

The US Constitution, Second Amendment states:  "A well-regulated militia
being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to
keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Seems to me that this amendment to the Federal Constitution states that the
right of the people to keep and have arms not being infringed is essential
to a "well-regulated" (well trained and disciplined) militia.

So, powers of a state or the Federal governments to infringe the right of
the people to keep and bear arms is limited by these two provisions.  That
is, these provisions apply to the states, since, otherwise, the state would
provide a defective (not well-regulated) militia.

Since early Federal legislation required the people to appear with their own
militia weapon when called, it seems pretty clear to me that is how Congress
saw the provisions too.

However, that was in the days before some lawyers arrogated to themselves
the power to redefine the meaning of words like "up" and "down".  Of course,
in dicta, the USSC said it so much more eloquently in  Presser v. Illinois,
116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886):
"      the states cannot prohibit the people
       from keeping and bearing arms so as to deprive the
       United States of their rightful resource for maintain-
       ing the public security, and disable the people from
       performing their duty to the general government."
showing they understood it too (at least they did in 1886).

Phil

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    I think that to the extent they were relying on Second Amendment as law
binding state governments -- rather than as, say, evidence of broader
natural law principles that bound state governments because state government
power should be interpreted in light of natural law -- they were mistaken.
(By the way, my sense is that the state cases were a handful; a nontrivial
number, but not a "large" one in any absolute sense.)

    Eugene

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From: Joseph E. Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:06 PM
To: Volokh, Eugene; List Firearms Reg
Subject: RE: The REPUBLICAN ... from New York.
OK, Barron is correct.

If so, what do we make of the large number of 19th century state cases
applying the Second Amendment against state actions and the early
commentators who, IIRC, took the view that the Second restricted both levels
of government?

>>> "Volokh, Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/25/07 3:40 PM >>>
    By the way, here's one reason that Barron strikes me as an entirely
correct given the original understanding:  *** Madison originally proposed
the Bill of Rights as amendments to the body of the Constitution.

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