Let me give an example of what would make me "feel better". According
to the CDC,
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html :
2000 - 2007, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 19
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,
Y35.0,*U01.4
Year Number of
Deaths Population*** Crude
Rate
2000 3,042 80,473,265 3.78
2001 2,937 80,936,178 3.63
2002 2,893 81,220,566 3.56
2003 2,849 81,485,313 3.50
2004 2,852 81,819,970 3.49
2005 3,027 82,072,745 3.69
2006 3,218 82,389,800 3.91
2007 3,067 82,856,970 3.70
Total 23,885 653,254,807 3.66
2000 - 2007, United States
All Injury Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 19
ICD-10 Codes: V01-Y36,Y85-Y87,Y89,*U01-*U03
Year Number of
Deaths Population*** Crude
Rate
2000 17,673 80,473,265 21.96
2001 17,370 80,936,178 21.46
2002 17,589 81,220,566 21.66
2003 17,103 81,485,313 20.99
2004 17,527 81,819,970 21.42
2005 17,168 82,072,745 20.92
2006 17,252 82,389,800 20.94
2007 16,937 82,856,970 20.44
Total 138,619 653,254,807 21.22
Comparing all deaths for teens and children from injury to deaths by
firearm injury for the same pool, shows there are 5.8 times (on
average) as many deaths from all sources compared to just firearms.
That is, for every firearm injury killing one of the members of this
pool there are 4.8 drownings, vehicle accidents, stabbings, clubbings,
poisonings, falls, etc. killing teens and children.
It goes without saying that a deliberate killing of a teen or child
does not mean that the killing was performed by a teen or child. So,
we really have no idea of how many of these killings might've been
stopped by parents talking up their guns ( at least not for many
statistics I've seen quoted so far). A while back the Justice
Department published a paper saying that most children were killed by
adults not of the children ( about 2 to 1 as my memory).
2000 - 2007, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 17
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,
Y35.0,*U01..4
Year Number of
Deaths Population*** Crude
Rate
2000 1,544 72,293,812 2.14
2001 1,433 72,736,394 1.97
2002 1,443 73,049,266 1.98
2003 1,317 73,258,317 1.80
2004 1,385 73,492,810 1.88
2005 1,490 73,749,167 2..02
2006 1,593 74,010,089 2.15
2007 1,520 74,340,127 2.04
Total 11,725 586,929,982 2.00
2000 - 2007, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 18 to 19
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,
Y35..0,*U01.4
Year Number of
Deaths Population*** Crude
Rate
2000 1,498 8,179,453 18.31
2001 1,504 8,199,784 18.34
2002 1,450 8,171,300 17.75
2003 1,532 8,226,996 18.62
2004 1,467 8,327,160 17.62
2005 1,537 8,323,578 18.47
2006 1,625 8,379,711 19.39
2007 1,547 8,516,843 18.16
Total 12,160 66,324,825 18.33
As children grow into their majority the firearm death rate increases
more than ninefold on average. While parents locking up their
firearms might possibly defeat access by children (although there have
been a number of failures of children defeating parental locks
publicized), it is questionable whether locks might defeat these older
teens. Again, an 18 or 19-year-old being killed does not mean the
killing was performed by an 18 or 19-year-old.
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2000 - 2007, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 21 to 22
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,
Y35.0,*U01.4
Year Number of
Deaths Population*** Crude
Rate
2000 1,668 7,599,730 21.95
2001 1,815 8,070,406 22.49
2002 1,812 8,356,361 21.68
2003 1,755 8,372,231 20.96
2004 1,652 8,385,031 19.70
2005 1,739 8,358,399 20.81
2006 1,777 8,427,864 21.08
2007 1,758 8,524,580 20.62
Total 13,976 66,094,602 21.15
This last group of results shows that young adults are much more
violent than even late teens and there are no legal barriers
preventing these young adults from getting firearms.
There are even minor legal barriers preventing older teens from
getting firearms and in many places they can buy rifles or shotguns if
they can't get access to their parents' locked up firearms.
As a minor exercise for the reader I suggest you determine the death
rates for 21-22-year-olds from all injuries and verify that on average
there were 2.5 deaths from other than firearms injuries for every
firearm injury death.
The importance of this information is that it reveals the cynical
nature of these doctors were so concerned with firearm injuries ( many
of which result from criminal on criminal violence) and less concerned
with mostly accidental and preventable injuries from other causes.
Phil
--- On *Thu, 6/23/11, Jamie Fraser-Paige /<[email protected]>/* wrote:
From: Jamie Fraser-Paige <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Firearmsregprof -doctors
To: [email protected]
Cc: "'rufx2'" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 11:33 AM
According to the University of Michigan, in 1999, of 3,385
children 0-19 years of age who died of gunshot wounds, 214 of them
were unintentional. That is far fewer than the numbers Kraft uses.
Since his methodology is murky, it is hard to know exactly what
he's talking about. Of course, most of us know that Kraft is
talking out of an orifice other than his mouth. Does that make you
feel better? {;-)
Most of these hoplophobes want us to keep guns not only locked up,
but unloaded with the ammo locked up separately. If the gun is
intended for home defense, that is ludicrous. The AAP feels that
the safest thing to do with guns if there is a child in the house
is to not have one, especially a handgun. Again, ludicrous.
Jamie
On 6/22/2011 23:06, Phil Lee wrote:
About 10 years ago about 50 children 14 and younger were killed
by accidental discharge of firearms. Only about 900 people of
all ages were killed accidentally (unintentially). No way is
that 1,500 number correct.
Now your response show one reason we make little headway against
these people and their lies – there is too much opinion and too
little fact used to make a logical response. Do due diligence on
the claim – look up the data on firearm deaths and expose the lies.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
*From:* [email protected]
</mc/[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
</mc/[email protected]>] *On
Behalf Of *Jamie Fraser-Paige
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:44 PM
*To:* rufx2
*Cc:* [email protected]
</mc/[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: Firearmsregprof -doctors
He seems to be a staff writer for -- or at least a frequent
contributor to -- Medical News Today. The only biographical
information I could get in a quick search was this, from
MediLexicon <http://www.medilexicon.org/ourteam.php> Intl. "Sy
Kraft, BA, Writer Sy has a BA in Journalism from California State
University and worked at Ogilvy, prior to that he was Principal
at G2 (Grey Global)." MediLexicon seems to be the parent of
Medical News Today.
More important, where did he learn to do math? He cites
"Approximately half of youth gun deaths, or more than 1,500 per
year, occur because parents, relatives or friends leave guns
accessible to kids." OK, one dead kid whose death could have been
prevented by locking up guns is probably one too many. But that's
1,500 for the /_entire nation_/. Kraft goes on to cite these
numbers for New York State: "In New York State alone, more than
95,000 youths live in homes with loaded weapons, and over 52,000
of these households have loaded and unlocked firearms." The
number of kids killed with unsecured guns nationwide is less than
3% of the total number of kids "exposed" to unsecured guns /_in
just one state_/! So the 1,500 kids is pretty small potatoes
epidemiological speaking, wouldn't you say? Of course, I;m not a
doctor and I;ve never played one on TV. But I can see a lies when
it;s right there in front of me.
Jamie
On 6/22/2011 15:14, rufx2 wrote:
Who is “Sy Kraft”
The Center to Prevent Youth Violence (PAX), in collaboration with
the American Academy of Pediatrics, created the ASK (Asking Saves
Kids) campaign. ASK is a national public health initiative that
provides something real every parent can do to keep their
children safe.
Article posted at Medical News Today on 6/22/11 by ‘Sy Kraft’
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/229340.php
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