Once again, I have to agree. I have a co-worker who just upgraded to
3.5 and naturally upgraded FireBug. He didn't even know that Firebug
wasn't working the way it did before AT ALL. He thought it was just
broken and unusable. I'm sure he is not an isolated case of this.

The new activation model makes sense, but it is NOT easy or
convenient.

On Jun 30, 11:13 am, MorningZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> "2) The activation logic must be simple so, it isn't a barrier for new
> users and/or for users who user Firebug just time to time"
>
> This just isn't correct...
>
> Even a new user, or a time to time user, would *expect* that if:
>
> - They told Firebug to Watch Requests, Turn on Console, etc etc  (the
> three checkboxes when then panel is pulled)....
>
> If Firebug is told to do that, then whether he/she opened a new
> browser window, opened a new tab, stuff like that, then Firebug should
> bedoing it's thing.. not require it to be "activated" and the panel
> pulled up.....  that's just very unfriendly to developers (and isn't
> that your core/target group of people using this awesome tool?)
>
> As said, 1.2 and 1.3 behaved like this, why rip that behavior out
> totally?    It's like what Microsoft seems to do all the time.... they
> try to dumb down their User Interfaces so much, that they absolutely
> kill it for people who *really* use it day to day
>
> Look, I don't have your stats on usage or really any idea of what you
> consider "average user" or "power user", but you asked earlier in this
> topic for some specific "dislikes" and I and others posted them....
> replying with "can't satisfy everyone" is just weak.....
>
> On Jun 30, 12:48 pm, Francis Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > If you could do that, that would be awesome and save me a lot of
> > work :)
> > I have hated the way the activation works in 1.4x, so I created a new
> > firebug plug-in, but I haven't had time to actually code anything into
> > it yet.
> > Hopefully we can get a group of people working on this… that would
> > make it easier for all of us :)
>
> > I have a discussion forum for web developers onhttp://startrekguide.com.
> > You can contact me there if you're interested (username is "Handyman")
> > and we can setup a forum and repository (if needed) for it.
>
> > Francis
>
> > On Jun 30, 9:21 am, Trevan Richins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > You can make firebug always on (right-click the icon in the bottom bar).  
> > > I've also been playing around with an extension for my own development 
> > > that forces firebug to always be on for my development domain.  I've got 
> > > issues with it where it is minimized when it shouldn't be or maximized 
> > > when it shouldn't be, and I've never tested "open in new window" but it 
> > > is working fine for me.  The email thread where I've asked questions 
> > > about the extension is titled "Help with extension to enable Firebug at a 
> > > specific domain".  I could post my code and let you try and make it work 
> > > for you.
>
> > > Trevan
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