On Aug 17, 7:28 am, dan_m2k <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm interested by johnjbarton's reponses.
>
> I share the frustration shared by, nroussi, amongst others.

And I am also very frustrated by the current situation.  We have a
version of Firebug with a bug we cannot fix but everyone thinks the
problem is a Firebug design problem.

>
> I feel that the take-away for this is that the activation model
> clearly doesn't meet the majority of user's expectations in how it
> works, in that a lot of users (myself included) feels that it doesn't.

I don't take that away at all. So far all I am hearing is that the
activation fails to work correctly. Changing the model won't help
because there is a bug in Firefox that prevents the user from getting
the correct result no matter what the model says.

I'm going to say the same thing here five differ ways:

  Firebug 1.4 uses page annotation to store activations.
  Firefox 3.* has a bug in page annotations, it forgets some.
  Consequently Firebug 1.4 activation fails for some people all of the
time.
  Firebug 1.5a21 stores page annotations in text files: it should work
all of the time.

> It isn't a bug as such, it seems to be a  flaw in the usability in the
> latest "Vista" release of Firebug. My rationale for this is that
> seasoned Firebug users simply don't get how it works. I'm still at a
> loss how to enable this for some sites and not others.

Here's my theory:

The reason the activation fails for you has not a single thing to do
with usability, design, model, Vista, rationale, seasoned, user-
understanding or any of this other stuff.

The reason the activation fails for you is simple: a software bug.

You can easily prove my theory wrong: install Firebug 1.5a21, reset
the Firebug options (eg by Firebug Icon Menu > Options > Reset
Options). Then try activating a page (open Firebug on that page) or
deactivating on (Off button for that page).

> As per john's specific comments -- my suggestion would be to go back
> to an activation model that works in way that users  understand.

First convince me that you've tried our activation solution. I think
you have been suffering from the page annotation bug.

jjb
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