Hi Tim,
I don't think anyone has a problem with people expressing 'needs' if
they don't have skills. Though if you can't do it yourself you have
less chance of seeing it - most people code Linux stuff cos they have
an itch.
Nevertheless The point remains. Marcus releases NFR with source so
others can fix bugs - see parrallel discussion on this list. If he
thinks that there are problems with Linux then he can make the changes
himself. He should have the ability. He may not have the time, but
the point remains. As Marus says slagging off Linux is always
dangerous, so I reckon he got off lightly <grin>
Personally, if the packet capture code is so weak then someone should
kick off a discussion of it with the developers. I'm sure that
linux-kernel would be happy to see a sensible discussion of the issues
with someone like Marcus.
Best wishes,
Steve
Tim Doscher writes:
> Linux is a great product, but as it migrates toward the mainstream genre of
> operating systems, there are certain things that become more or less
> important depending on perspective, in my view the entire stack architecture
> of Linux should be re-written, similiar to openBSD, the only problem is I
> have no clue how to do these things! What we present is a need, and Linux
> is obviously a need based OS, and there are many people that rise to the
> occasion to fulfill needs as they are presented. Hence the porting of DB
> apps to Linux,as well as Office apps. In addition RH has gone to
> considerable measures to provide an easy to use setup utility. All of this
> is in response to NEEDS. What Mr. Ranum and countless others have expressed
> here is a NEED. Who can fulfill this need? COME FORTH OH GREAT ONE!
> Tim Doscher
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 7:08 AM
> To: 'FireWalls'
> Subject: Re: NAI Security Advisory: Vulnerability in NFR 2.0.2-Research
>
>
> > >I am getting frustrated.
> >
> > Me too! We've posted about 15 messages to this list about
> > how mediocre Linux' packet capture routines are. We've put
> > stuff in the documentation, and we've done everything except
> > deliberately _force_ our software not to be able to build
> > on Linux. Why? Because there are always people who try it
> > and then post:
> >
> > >I have installed NFR on Linux and it appears to keep missing packets
> > >even on my low bandwidth network.
> >
> > We're sorry it doesn't work well but it's Linux' problem,
> > not ours. :( Linux is a fine operating system, yaddayaddayadda
> > but its packet capture code is pathetic. Read it and weep.
> >
> > >My issue is whether to consider NFR a mission critical tool
> >
> > Linux isn't a "mission critical" operating system, is the problem.
> > That's why we've gone out on a limb and risked pissing off the
> > faceless hordes of Linux fanatics by telling them that their
> > favorite O/S can't run with the big dogs. Try one of the BSD
> > derivatives, read the release notes, and you'll have less
> > problems.
>
> Instead of whingeing about Linux, why not be positive and contribute
> to it, helping fix its deficiencies instead of slagging it off.
>
> Phil
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> Herefordshire Council
> Hereford, UK
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