My two bits
-Employers who base hiring solely on certs are risking hiring junior level
people who barely got the paper.
-Employers who do not use certs at all in hiring must commit the IS/IT/MIS
manager to doing a lot of the initial 'weeding out' processes, which is
not at all cost effective.
-Applicants who disregard certification limit themselves to those job
openings where the employer is not asking for one, or where the employer
has is techno-savvy enough to understand the applicant's abilities.
-Certification is not something that should be "all or nothing". They
weren't meant to replace established hiring and job-seeking practices,
they were designed to standardize things a bit. 


Joel Gridley
Site Patrol/Firewall Specialist          "Be the packet"
GTE Internetworking                       
Burlington, MA

On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Todd Bordeaux wrote:

> I usually just watch (I get _a lot_ of good info), but I thought I would
> throw my comment in.  I have been looking for a sys admin position
> (Unix) in the Phoenix metro area.  My credentials are 22+ years
> (starting with IBM mainframes) in both hardware and software.  I have
> 10+ years in Unix systems administration (no certificates, my last job
> before obtaining a govt contract rather _generously_ accepted 14 years
> of working with them as proof of experience and reason for
> advancement).  When I see a company, looking for Unix S/A's, asking for
> MCSE's, it seems suprising (except when you accept that HR is doing the
> initial screening).  What is really galling is that each company expects
> resumes to be submitted in Microsoft Word format.
> Certification (IMHO) demonstrates that you are able to "talk the talk". 
> Proven experience demonstrates that you are able to "walk the walk". 
> Which is better?  Better yet, how do you get that point across to the
> gatekeeper of the "first door" (initial candidate selection)?
> 
> Todd Bordeaux
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