I'm confused.   If properly replicated, only field changes, deletions, and
new mail are replicated. Very fast. I think somebody's doing something
wrong here.  If you are talking about centralized mail databases being
viewed locally, you will need to either use http or a Citrix type thin
solution to provide reasonable performance. Exchange won't be any better
unless it is implemented in a different mail topology.

But comparing Notes replication to Exchange?  I design both Exchange and
Notes topologies, and I recommend Notes when efficiency of replication or
remote support is a requirement.  Either system will support similar mail
topologies, POP3, IMAP, SMTP, so comparison of dissimilar service offerings
is fallacious, IMHO.


Yes, Notes has an SSL mail client, but the root of the problem is the
size of the Notes database.  We don't have a reliable international ISP
with presence in places like Mexico, Brazil and China.  And when they
do, the connection is slow.  That and the amount of data that the Notes
mail virus^H^H^H^H^H agent exchanges during a database synchronization
leads to pissed off execs which leads to Notes being pulled out and...
and....  Nice thought, but they'd replace it with MS Exchange.

I'm just trying to get some secure alternatives in place in case the CEO
gets a real attitude about it and refuses to use it.

I'm also going to investigate further with our Notes administrator and
maybe bring the Lotus sales tech in.

Meanwhile, thanks to all for the alternative ideas.

cwk


According to Pete Goodridge:
>
>      Either solution would work, but if there are using Notes, and you
have
>      to retrain them to use the web mail you'll have other cost issues.
>      (Something about clock radios was mentioned ;) )  Also, not having
>      used Web mail, how do you answer e-mail when you are offline?
>
>      Now that I think of it, doesn't Notes have it own encryption
routines
>      you can use just by turning on one of it's options?
>
>      THX,
>      Pete Goodridge
>      Abt Associates Inc.
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Marginally on-topic -- Secure remote email access
> Author:  David Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at internet
> Date:    9/16/1999 12:17 PM
>
>
> I personally would prefer to use https rather then one of the tunnel
> clients for the firewall. i don't trust the remote users to secure their
> machines enough.
>
> While hotmail had (has??) significant security problems, I don't think
> those problems are becouse of the web access, I believe they were caused
> by poor decisions of the system designers.
>
>  David Lang
>
>  On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Pete Goodridge wrote:
>
> >      Is there an remote encrypted client for your current firewall?
That
> >      way they could dial a local ISP, and not have to pay for the long
> >      distance call.  You also would not have passwords sitting on
someone's
> >      "secure" web site, like Hotmail.
> >
> >      Pete Goodridge
> >      Abt Associates Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> > Subject: Re: Marginally on-topic -- Secure remote email access
> > Author:  David Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at internet
> > Date:    9/15/1999 7:41 PM
> >
> >
> > My answer is to provide web based mail for them. There are several
> > packages out there that will talk POP3 or IMAP to your mail server and
> > provide a web gateway.
> >
> > note, you are still only talking 40 bit encryption, unless you can
qualify
> > for a global certificate (limited to financial/banking interests IIRC)
but
> > this is still better then having the passwords in the clear.
> >
> > David Lang
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Knox wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:15:27 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: Chris Knox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: firewalls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Marginally on-topic -- Secure remote email access
> > >
> > > My company is scattered across North and South America, Europe, Asia,
> > > Australia and the Pacific Rim.   We currently use Notes for internal
> > > email but the size of the data transfers while databases synch up has
> > > caused some very expensive phone calls.  We're getting a lot of
pressure
> > > to open up POP3 and let users connect accross the Internet.  It give
me
> > > heartburn to think of all those passwords being shuttled around in
the
> > > clear from random ISPs in Sao Paulo, Moscow, London and who knows
where
> > > else.  To make matters worse the users who travel the most are
executives
> > > and sales types who are -uhm- technologically -uhm- challenged.  I.e.
> > > they are doing well if they can set their clock radio.
> > >
> > > Ideas or pointers to a more appropriate forum?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris Knox
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504-5888
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