Hi All-
All I needed to know is that is there some thing
available which can actively monitor traffic at the
landing station gateway level... This would be the
point of contact of the transoceanic cable on land,
and this is sole property of the guy installing it. I
dont think this would be subject to any laws. Anyway,
do let me know if something like this is there?
-Thanks
-Sam
--- "Paul D. Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, HUNGRY PIRANHA wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > first of all, what in the world would one do with
> such gadgets ?
>
> I assume the same sort of thing that Echelon is used
> for- though we
> have diverse pathing, major backbones are stable
> things in general and the
> potential exists for monitoring.
>
> > anyway..
> > i guess the laws that apply are those that would
> apply to illegally making
> > calls on the lines of a telephone company.
>
> If you're passively monitoring, without physical
> line intrusion are things
> covered by treaty? I expect fairly normal property
> stuff in the treaties,
> but I don't expect that privacy type concerns are
> covered.
>
> > the cables ARE private property and as such are
> covered by
> > multiple trade and war pact agreemnts.
>
> I'm still digging through the UN Conventions, but
> the Geneva stuff doesn't
> seem to offer monitoring protections. Admittedly
> not being a lawyer or
> even playing one on the 'Net, I'm not sure how
> International Law handles
> treated items in multiple treaties. The obvious
> coverage in specific
> sections doesn't seem to apply much at all to the
> cables specificly in
> terms of protection outside of territorial waters,
> even though in
> territorial waters there are specific sections.
>
> > (geneva, euro-dollars, nafta....)
> >
> > there are a limited numbers of IRC's on the
> planet..
>
> Indeed, making target selection rather easy. Of
> course, sponsored
> terrorism DoS is probably a more likely worst-case
> scenerio, but for the
> discussion at hand, I'm interested in the
> culpability and protection
> against sniffing.
>
> > IRCs are supercarriers or 'International Record
> Carriers'
> > such as C&W, BT, FranceTelecomm, AT&T and Global
> Crossing
> > to name a few.
>
> I thought C&W had sold off their undersea cable- am
> I mistaken?
>
> > the cables may be in international waters under
> whatever
> > sovereign government trade agreements, but the
> cable and
> > its associated infra-structure BELONGS to the
> supercarriers.
>
> Certainly, but does there exist a treaty or law that
> protects the bits on
> the physical wire from passive eavesdropping?
> Russian "trawlers" were
> routinely shadowed in International waters in the
> late 70's while
> eavesdropping for regular SIGINT, so I'm not
> convinced that there's
> specific privacy protection available.
>
> Paul
>
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